5nl One pair against Short Stack

Both Flop villians are unknowns 5 and 11 hand respectively. What I have seen has been the same typical loose bad play.

I raised him all in on the turn as he minbet and was short stacked, should I have raised smaller, folding seems pretty weak tight even when str8 card hits.

Thoughts.

party poker, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $2.50 (50 bb)
MP1: $9.86 (197.2 bb)
MP2: $6.75 (135 bb)
Hero (MP3): $5.35 (107 bb)
CO: $9.80 (196 bb)
BTN: $5.93 (118.6 bb)
SB: $1.55 (31 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with T A
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds, SB calls $0.08, BB folds

Flop: ($0.35) 9 2 T (3 players)
SB bets $0.05, MP2 raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.70, MP2 folds

Turn: ($2.05) J (2 players)
SB bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.70

Thanks

Looks fine to me. 30bb deep you hand is certainly strong enough to play for stacks here.

Thanks Belgo, I hate playing against short stacks >50bb and always worry if I am spewing implied odds to them.

Raise more on the flop. Your raises are always way too small. And TPTK vs. someone less than 40bb's deep = instaship.

Looks like a good play for me as well. 30blinds in, your hand is certainly strong enough to play for stacks here.

c9h13no3 said:

Raise more on the flop. Your raises are always way too small. And TPTK vs. someone less than 40bb's deep = instaship.

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?? I raised the Shortstack all-in.

Steveg1976 said:

?? I raised the Shortstack all-in.

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Erm, wat?

On the flop, you're up against 2 players, and neither of them were all in after the flop... Not to mention a potsized raise on the flop is $1 (and they will call even larger than a pot-sized raise...). If the board were T82 I'd be less anal about your raise size, but T9xtt is just such a drawy flop, and at least one of them is calling with whatever crap they have.

c9h13no3 said:

Erm, wat?

On the flop, you're up against 2 players, and neither of them were all in after the flop... Not to mention a potsized raise on the flop is $1.

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I raised enough to put the sb all in, I was in position so third to act. The sb min bet MP1 raised to .20 and I raised to .70 putting the sb all-in to call which he did an mp1 folded. MP1 has a full stack so I am not shoving against him with TPTK.

Steveg1976 said:

The sb min bet MP1 raised to .20 and I raised to .70 putting the sb all-in to call which he did

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The SB has 1.55. How does raising to $0.75 on the flop put him all in?

c9h13no3 said:

The SB has 1.55. How does raising to $0.75 on the flop put him all in?

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You are right, I did it on the turn oops .

I raised the flop more than pot sized, would you rather see a shove on the flop, or a $2.00 riase?

Steveg1976 said:

You are right, I did it on the turn oops .

I raised the flop more than pot sized, would you rather see a shove on the flop, or a $2.00 raise?

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Hope you don't mind if I butt in here...

PF: 3-bet to isolate. I think ATs is good enough for a .40-.50 3-bet to eliminate the blinds.

FLOP: When I see weak bets/raises like this from underskilled players in EP on the flop, I instantly think they either have weak TP or a draw. 3-bet the SB all-in or more and show MP2 that you mean business. A loose shortstack has a wider range, so put him to a decision for all his chips in and make the other guy make a bad call or fold.

TURN: Of course, putting him in now is fine.

Steveg1976 said:

I raised the flop more than pot sized

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c9h13no3 said:

Not to mention a potsized raise on the flop is $1

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Steveg1976 said:

Flop: ($0.35) 9

2

T

(3 players)
SB bets $0.05, MP2 raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.75

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Does not compute. 0.35+0.05+0.2+0.2 = 0.8 +0.2 = $1

Add the amount in the pot, plus your call, and you have the size that you need to raise on top of your call of the previous bet. Therefore, if you raise to 1$, and it gets back around to MP2, it will cost him $0.80 to call into a pot of $1.60, giving him 2:1 pot odds.

Whats worse is that your raise size gives pretty good implied odds to the shorty. He's getting ~2:1, but he's also guaranteed to get an additional 70c out of you if he hits. So he's really calling 70c to win 2.05, which is ~3:1. So if he's got a hand like a flush draw with an over, KQ, QJ, ect., he's not really making that big of a mistake by calling your raise. Your raise just allows him to play close to optimally when he hits without thinking about it. If we put him all in on the flop, he's making a very big mistake no matter what the turn brings.

I'd like to see this pumped up to at least $1, and just putting the shorty all in on the flop can't be bad. Also, given how drawy the flop is, I don't mind trying to stack MP2 either, given how spewy these guys probably are.

Also, I think 3-betting preflop isn't a bad idea, like sticker said. Min-raises are so silly, and they're almost never a good hand.

Even though the actual pot after the flop at the time of Steve's turn was .60, I do agree that his bet should be for more. Since the shortstack SB is still involved, I'd still like to see Steve's bet be for the amount of the SB's remaining stack at the time ($1.40, I think).

c9h13no3 said:

Does not compute. 0.35+0.05+0.2+0.2 = 0.8 +0.2 = $1

Add the amount in the pot, plus your call, and you have the size that you need to raise on top of your call of the previous bet. Therefore, if you raise to 1$, and it gets back around to MP2, it will cost him $0.80 to call into a pot of $1.60, giving him 2:1 pot odds.

Whats worse is that your raise size gives pretty good implied odds to the shorty. He's getting ~2:1, but he's also guaranteed to get an additional 70c out of you if he hits. So he's really calling 70c to win 2.05, which is ~3:1. So if he's got a hand like a flush draw with an over, KQ, QJ, ect., he's not really making that big of a mistake by calling your raise. Your raise just allows him to play close to optimally when he hits without thinking about it. If we put him all in on the flop, he's making a very big mistake no matter what the turn brings.

I'd like to see this pumped up to at least $1, and just putting the shorty all in on the flop can't be bad. Also, given how drawy the flop is, I don't mind trying to stack MP2 either, given how spewy these guys probably are.

Also, I think 3-betting preflop isn't a bad idea, like sticker said. Min-raises are so silly, and they're almost never a good hand.

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MrSticker said:

Even though the actual pot after the flop at the time of Steve's turn was .60, I do agree that his bet should be for more. Since the shortstack SB is still involved, I'd still like to see Steve's bet be for the amount of the SB's remaining stack at the time ($1.40, I think).

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Thanks guys, I new there was something I was missing.