50nl; TT OOP in multiway pot

ChuckTs

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

Button ($50.95)
SB ($82) [no stats for whatever reason]
Hero ($60.05)
UTG ($48.45) [19/3/.3]
UTG+1 ($52.50)
MP1 ($49.20) [29/6/1.4]
MP2 ($51.05)
MP3 ($25) [37/6.5/3.5]
CO ($17.60) [35/1.7/2.5]

Preflop: Hero is BB with T
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, T
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UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero ...
 
mrsnake3695

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I'd probably pop it up pretty good. You have alot of loose players that could have almost anything right now, gotta make them pay to play mediocre hands. I;d raise about $3.50 and hopefully get down to heads up. Or if you felt you would get 3 or more callers anyway due to previous action you could just check and play for set value. Not likely 10-10 will hold up against 3 or more players unless you hit a set.
 
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I'm with Snake; the tightest player it UTG and limped. Unless he's slowplaying AA/KK you're likely ahead of everyone that's in, unless you suspect one of them as being weak and limping AK/JJ or something behind all the limpers. Raise it up good to show that you have a hand and it may work like a squeeze and one by one they fold. Failing that, hopefully you get one caller who doesn't catch on the flop and folds when you continue to show strength with a c-bet.
 
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$4.50 to go; extra because you're OOP.
 
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

Button ($50.95)
SB ($82)
Hero ($60.05)
UTG ($48.45)
UTG+1 ($52.50)
MP1 ($49.20)
MP2 ($51.05)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($17.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T
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, T
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UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to $4, UTG calls $3.50, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $3.50, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($13.50) 6
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, 6
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, K
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(3 players)
Hero ...
 
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i'd personally bump it up 2 just to see where I stand in the hand, I mean checking doesn't really work out well here since if u check, they might just check behind you, but then again, I could be wrong, hope u took it down, gl
 
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Kind of awkward because you probably have the best hand and want to protect it vs Aces, Queens or Jacks coming on the turn or river, but at the same time you're probably only getting called if you're behind. I think betting $7.50 is probably sufficient to take it down. If you check, you might find MP3 putting you on AQ etc and value-betting a small pair, and it's difficult for you to call profitably. If you just check-call, you're opening yourself up to bluffs on later streets, and you're letting your opponents draw out at the same time.
 
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

Button ($50.95)
SB ($82)
Hero ($60.05)
UTG ($48.45)
UTG+1 ($52.50)
MP1 ($49.20)
MP2 ($51.05)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($17.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T
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, T
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UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to $4, UTG calls $3.50, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $3.50, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($13.50) 6
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, 6
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, K
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(3 players)
Hero ...

C-bets his last shot at the hand and curses if it is called or raised.
 
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

Button ($50.95)
SB ($82)
Hero ($60.05)
UTG ($48.45)
UTG+1 ($52.50)
MP1 ($49.20)
MP2 ($51.05)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($17.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T
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, T
club.gif
.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to $4, UTG calls $3.50, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $3.50, CO folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($13.50) 6
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, 6
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, K
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(3 players)
Hero bets $9, UTG folds, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: $13.50

Results below:
No showdown. Hero wins $13.50.
 
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Don't posts results too soon Chuck, it closes the discussion. Altough this is a totally standard hand, I take exception to raising to see where we're at. There as a huge craze of doing so a few months ago (something that has passed obviously) and I feel it's the very worst reason to raise. You either raise for protection/value/raised equity by clearing outs but raising to get info is stupid because:
a) Villain doesn't always play optimally or plays better than us leading us to misread his hand.
b) It's like lighting money on fire in many situations:

ie I have AJs in the SB with 300bb eff. stacks. CO raises and BTN cold calls. Raising here is giving away mad implied odds since no one is folding to our raise (no FE) and it just bloats the pot making it harder to protect our hand postflop.

Here, I feel we are raising for value/protection preflop.
 
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b) It's like lighting money on fire in many situations:

ie I have AJs in the SB with 300bb eff. stacks. CO raises and BTN cold calls. Raising here is giving away mad implied odds since no one is folding to our raise (no FE) and it just bloats the pot making it harder to protect our hand postflop.

Heh, I like re-raising both for value and as a squeeze in the situation you describe, especially when deep-stacked, and you'll rarely reach showdown unless you both have monster hands...

(So says the nit who mucked AQ in the BB to a single limper and single raise from the CO playing live a couple of nights ago...)
 
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ChuckTs

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I think the fact that raising for info is bad is only really applicable to spots where someone has bet ahead of you. Here it's certainly not the main reason we're raising (protection/value being the main reasons), but it definitely does define the hands more clearly and make later decisions in the hand easier.
 
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dammit chuck give me a chance to give a reply to any of hte stages before the results. :D

Doesnt matter anyway, you did everything as i would of to the exact value except i would have bet another 50c on flop :p
 
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Heh, I like re-raising both for value and as a squeeze in the situation you describe, especially when deep-stacked, and you'll rarely reach showdown unless you both have monster hands...

(So says the nit who mucked AQ in the BB to a single limper and single raise from the CO playing live a couple of nights ago...)

Depends on the people you are playing against, but deep stacked, it doesn't make much sense, a lot of the time, to be giving away reverse implied odds without at least seeing the flop (and YOU ARE giving implied odds to bigger ace and drawing hands at this point IMHO).

Also depends on how much you suck at laying it down to a big reraise (ie. abort squeeze). If you do, flatting might be best since deep stacked, our value comes from postflop play much more than shortstacked or 100bb deep.

Plus, you do get information when you raise, it's normal, but it should never be the sole objective of your raise.
 
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