If you fold pf then you avoid the heartache that inevitably occurs with QQ vs action
, but..meh. This is why readless poker is so painful, but I guess it does allow a purely theoretical approach (again - meh). So firstly what could vil take this line with (barring 72o et al.)
(following are generalisations)
- Overbet pf looks like JJ
- Small flop bet looks like weak c-bet - AK most likely AKh or
overpair seeing dry board and wanting action from AK and the like + lower pairs -- not wanting to lose action.
- Large turn shove looks like either overpair scared of AKh or
AKh reading our flop call as weak.
Originally Posted by red_dawn_28
as played you are praying for AK, or JJ right? those are the only hands you can beat.
Indeed, but these look considerably more likely than AA,KK imo, though of course these are still possible;
Originally Posted by tosborn
The overbet preflop is throwing me off a little.
and this is precisely why I think AA,KK are less likely. JJ does this as it doesn't want cheap action from AK and AK does this as it doesn't want any action from JJ.
So what's our line?
Originally Posted by ChuckTs
4-bet and fold to a shove pf
I think loses us the least value, as generally
at 50nl I don't think we're going to see a shove from JJ or AK, although going into this readless isn't great as there still is some fishy play. We will end up having to call a flop bet like here of at least $10 most of the time so I say invest that 10 bucks earlier in the hand and don't play so much icky postflop