[50NL FR] TT as OP in 3way pot

BelgoSuisse

BelgoSuisse

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Only 25 hands on both villains. CO is a 68/12/0.7 fish who auto-rebuys at 50bb. BTN is 41/9/4.

Comments on my line?

poker stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $47.50 (95 bb)
SB: $10.30 (20.6 bb)
BB: $80.35 (160.7 bb)
UTG+1: $54.80 (109.6 bb)
MP1: $51.15 (102.3 bb)
MP2: $51 (102 bb)
Hero (MP3): $50 (100 bb)
CO: $24.95 (49.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with T
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T
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3 folds, Hero raises to $2, CO raises to $4.50, BTN calls $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($14.25) 7
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3
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9
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(3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $10, Hero calls $10, CO raises to $20.45 and is all-in, BTN calls $10.45, Hero folds
 
Mehman

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Looks pretty standard here, 4-1 on your money gets the pre-flop call everytime.

I'd say im folding the inital bet on the flop, not enough hands on villians for our numbers to be accurate and a 3 bet with another limper has us behind when we don't hit out set almost every time post flop.

Should have stopped the action at the inital flop bet to see how other's would have played the hand then you can compare it to your own line, but as played looks like you made the correct moves (the flop bet call/fold is a play style thing imo, i'm far to nitty to go any further there though :)).
 
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I call the BTN's flop bet because I think there's AK/AQ/lower pp in his range for taking a stab at the pot after two checks.
 
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If that's the case, the only real option there is to raise, calling here is too passive imo, check raise, the CO will call for the rest and you may push the BTN out, any call is worth a raise here in my book, the nitty check-raising nit book that is :p.
 
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If that's the case, the only real option there is to raise, calling here is too passive imo, check raise, the CO will call for the rest and you may push the BTN out, any call is worth a raise here in my book, the nitty check-raising nit book that is :p.

if I raise, the only hands that call are hands that crush me. It's a spot where I don't have any fold equity against hands that are ahead of me, and can't get any value from hands that are behind, so my line has to be passive.
 
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whenever i make a fold like this, i end up getting shown 88 and A9 and i feel like an idiot

but no seriously, CO should have a set/overpair here so often, BTN is super likely to have a set himself, i think you gotta dump it. i call the first bet as well since BTN shouldnt have an overpair and could just be stabbing when CO seems to be giving up, initial aggressor might've just missed with overs. but once he then check/shoves and button calls, despite it not involving huge amounts of money, i'd say it changes their ranges quite a lot
 
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whenever i make a fold like this, i end up getting shown 88 and A9 and i feel like an idiot

but no seriously, CO should have a set/overpair here so often, BTN is super likely to have a set himself, i think you gotta dump it. i call the first bet as well since BTN shouldnt have an overpair and could just be stabbing when CO seems to be giving up, initial aggressor might've just missed with overs. but once he then check/shoves and button calls, despite it not involving huge amounts of money, i'd say it changes their ranges quite a lot

But your later reasoning seems too reasonable given the stats of the players. Pretty limited data, but with a 64/12 and a 41/9 isn't 88 and A9 still likely?

Button is looking at ~$54 pot to a $10 call after the CO shove and if he's as bad as indicated he probably hasn't considered that Hero can still bet/raise.


I dunno; it just seems like the range for either player is still pretty wide even after all the action.
 
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For the 41/9, A9 or 88 is possible, for the 68/12 it is very unlikely given that he 3 bet pre. Just look at the info, the 68/12 barely more than min 3 bets pre, gets cold called by the btn, and then hero gets forced to call because of crazy good pot odds. On the flop, he check-raises 2 people on what looks like a very dry flop for a 3 bet pot. I'm not even sure you see many sets in his range, as I think CO's range is polarized to basically KK and AA with this play.

The btn is the one I'm actually more worried about in this situation. His initial bet on the flop can very easily be a missed AK/AQ positional bet to see if anyone else hit the flop, so Hero has to call here. But 77 and 99 are very much in his range preflop, and his flat call of a check-raise indicates that he doesn't mind Hero coming over the top and is willing to play for stacks.

I fold 1010 hella fast here and make a note on both villains after I see what they have.
 
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