50NL FR: TPNK, Rivers Trips, Line Check

Villain is 30/9/3 over 50 hands (only a handful from this session)

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: $15.25 (30.5 bb)
CO: $77.25 (154.5 bb)
BTN: $16.65 (33.3 bb)
Hero (SB): $50 (100 bb)
BB: $119.85 (239.7 bb)
UTG+2: $25.15 (50.3 bb)
MP1: $59.50 (119 bb)
MP2: $37.35 (74.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 6 K
UTG+2 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.50, CO folds, BTN calls $0.50, Hero completes, BB checks

Flop: ($3) K 9 5 (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 bets $1.50, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds

Turn: ($6) J (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, UTG+2 calls $3.75

River: ($13.50) K (2 players)
Hero ???

I complete here hoping to hit hard with so many in the hand and then decide to get cute with TPNK by calling the flop and leading on the turn when the flush card hits. So what's your best line for the rivered trips: bet/fold, bet/call, check/call ?

Well keeping in mind that is a limped pot. You want to get to showdown cheaply, so I think I would check/call here. I dont see a whole lot of value in betting this river, since your hand is really pretty marginal in this situation.

IMO

Yuck.... I have thought of 3 ways to play this hand and I don't like any of them. If you think you can block bet him I think this is a great spot for that to get to a cheap showdown. That will depend on your read as his numbers indicate an aggressive player. If you will call a reasonable bet I think you are just better off making the bet yourself to follow up your bluff and you can fold to a raise knowing he has it.

I think Bet/fold is maybe best.

Also, thank you for the reminder to not bluff limped pots

I don't really think of it as a horrible bluff bet on the turn because we do have the Kc for some additional equity and we get to set the price on the turn a little smaller than he may bet if we check. I do think his stack size complicates the river a bit though.

Sorry, didn't mean to say that I thought it was horrible. I meant that it can lead to some ackward situations.

Here it is complicated by the fact that you have just enough of a hand that you would like to showdown and can lead to making a major mistake. If you bet out on the river, he could shove and leave you wondering what do. As it is you have 10% of the smaller stack in the middle already it is commitment time and I would not be comfortable calling a shove here. Now we are kind of pot stuck with ackward bet sizes and remaining stacks.

Steveg1976 said:

Sorry, didn't mean to say that I thought it was horrible. I meant that it can lead to some ackward situations.

Here it is complicated by the fact that you have just enough of a hand that you would like to showdown and can lead to making a major mistake. If you bet out on the river, he could shove and leave you wondering what do. As it is you have 10% of the smaller stack in the middle already it is commitment time and I would not be comfortable calling a shove here. Now we are kind of pot stuck with ackward bet sizes and remaining stacks.

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No problems, just trying to explain the turn bet a little. Probably the main mistake I made was not just leading out on the flop and folding if raised or maybe it was investing that extra quarter preflop.

Leading the flop probably was your best chance here, pot it and and evaluate his actions that would make the pot on the turn assuming a call 12.00 with 21.50 behind and now you are probably done with it. any bet commits you to getting it all in, check/fold the turn, maybe a little weak but I don't like going broke with one pair in limped pots.

Take this with a grain of salt, but I'd probably bet around $8 to $10 on the river. From his stats, I def would not rule out a hand like A9, T9, or possibly a mid pocket pair. I would not expect him to have a big K, I dont think KT or KJ limps here, and I would expect a raise from KQ or AK. This just leaves the flush to worry about, but again, I would expect a reraise from him on the turn if he hit it. Please tear me up if I am wrong about this information

WVHillbilly said:

No problems, just trying to explain the turn bet a little. Probably the main mistake I made was not just leading out on the flop and folding if raised or maybe it was investing that extra quarter preflop.

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I think it was investing that extra quarter preflop tbh. It's like getting a discount on something that you really dont want in the first place.

Yeah, I don't really like any street in this hand. I think check/folding & check/calling the river are both good options, and I'm leaning towards check/folding. The guy lead the flop into like a kajillion players left to act behind him, give him some credit. We beat K4, K3, K2, and busted gutshot draws that decided to lead the flop for some odd reason. If this guy is fairly bluffy I guess calling is okay, but I think betting out here is pretty bad as there's very little that legitly leads the flop that we still beat. Mebbe like, slowplayed aces ^_^.

I wouldn't even complete pre because it just gets you into stupid situations like this where you have TPNK and want to play it even tho you shouldn't.

Fold flop. You are ahead of nothing but a bluff, which is really unlikely given the lead out into a million players, and are oop with no real way to play the hand on turn/river.

Donking on the turn is bad as well, since you don't have much fold equity with that turn and your draw doesn't really give you enough outs to warrant bloating the pot.

River idk. Problem is that villain looks like a fish, so could have some sort of wide range. c/f or b/f are your only two options imo. c/c is spewy unless villain is really quite bluffy. Trying to bluff in a pot that had a flush complete and top pair river trips would be beyond stupid. And there are few hands that villain could have which would turn into a bluff on the river. If villain has shown down real bad in the past then you could b/f here, but c/f is probably best otherwise.

But just avoid situations like this. Completing isn't all that bad, but calling flop from oop is pretty leaky imo.

Thanks for all the comments.
FWIW, I decided to bet the river ($7), he jammed and I folded. He showed K5 for the boat. One of those times where throwing in the extra quarter cost me $12.50 because I stuck around with a weak TP OOP. Lesson learned (I hope).