[50nl FR] Major Flop Fireworks with set and no draws

icemonkey9

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What would you do? Situation is that you just so you really have no reads.

***** Game number #21014699875 *****
Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/10/07 21:22:24 ET
Table 'Gratia V' 9-max
Seat 8 (BTN) has the button.
SB posts small blind [$0.25]
Hero posts big blind [$0.50]

Seat 1 : SB with $89.90.
Seat 2 : Hero with $49.70.
Seat 3 : UTG with $15.85.
Seat 4 : UTG+1 with $53.10.
Seat 5 : MP1 with $50.45.
Seat 6 : MP2 with $50.00.
Seat 7 : CO with $55.50.
Seat 8 : BTN with $50.40.
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** Dealing hole cards **
Dealt to Hero :
:9h4: :2d4:
UTG: folds
UTG+1: folds
MP1 calls [$0.50]
MP2: folds
CO: folds
BTN calls [$0.50]
SB calls [$0.25]
Hero: checks

** Dealing Flop ** [Potsize: $2]
:9d4: :5h4: :9c4:
SB bets [$1.25]
Hero calls [$1.25]
MP1 raises $3.25 to $4.50
BTN: folds
SB calls [$3.25]
Hero raises $15.50 to $20
MP1 raises $29.95 to $49.95 [ all-in ]
SB: folds

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Wow, this is an ugly spot. By flatting SBs raise you are pretty much committing yourself to getting all in if someone raises this flop. Err, maybe you aren't committed, i guess you're getting 2:1 here and any halfway decent opponent is never getting all in here without atleast a 9 which you cant even beat since every other kicker has you beat. Umm, i really have no idea what i would do here.
 
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a sticky spot but I think this is a call. There is only 1 more 9 in the deck, and while he very may well have it, it is not his entire range. 55 I also think is unlikely as it appears SB has a 5, although a middle PP is very possible too.

This is PP enough to be profitable imo, but it a close spot so I cant fault either way without any stats.
 
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Maybe he knows about Yeti theorum and is just owning your face?

I don't like the 3-ball on the flop, and as played you've gotta call with like 10$ left to call.

Not sure what my default line would be here, altho I'd prolly flat like you and then go from there.
 
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I came to this thread expecting to see you thinking about folding a set, instead you hold trips (with the worst possible kicker no less). I'd say you're beat here a lot but with your 3bet you're committed, so I guess you need to hope he's pushing with an overpair?
 
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[ ] set

I would not 3bet this flop because you are only getting called if you are beat. As played I guess you have to stack because you already got half your stack in
 
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thats three of a kind, not a set. For set you need paired hole cards. I think you have the odds to call this one and mabye hit a 2, but as its played out, i think your behind, either outkicked or villain has boat(95s, 55)
 
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Maybe he knows about Yeti theorum and is just owning your face?

If villains knows about the Yeti theorem at 50nl, then your main problem is table selection...

I don't like the 3bet on flop. Nothing that you beat calls here.
 
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Yeah. .. pretty much stepped on a land mine here ...

RESULT:

I called. He turns over 55.
 
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I don't like the 3-bet either, but even if you are 3-betting, why would you make it so big? Making it $20 there is almost the same as shoving all in, as you're pot committed and you're getting called by about the same range as with an all-in. A smaller 3-bet to maybe $13 or $14 would give you a chance to fold and maybe get you action from a worse hand (though probably not, which is why I'm against 3-betting in the first place).

As played, I disagree with everyone and say fold to the all-in. And that's not just because I saw the results. I felt that way when I was looking at the top of the thread. This is not a scenario where we have a half-decent chance to suck out if we're beat. So despite getting 2:1 pot odds, I say we're crushed 80-90% of the time here. He 4-bet all-in on a completely drawless flop when there was no raise preflop. And that was on top of your call-reraise move which screamed slowplay. I think the only time you're not crushed here is if the villain slowplayed AA or KK preflop and is also a very reckless player (of which you have no read).

Another way of looking at it is this. Would you call off here with AA? If not, then you probably don't want to call off with 92. Despite making trips, 92 is only one notch higher than AA and only beats one more hand.
 
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Yeah. .. pretty much stepped on a land mine here ...

RESULT:

I called. He turns over 55.

Yeah you did, kind of a cooler but the old saying stands "dont go broke on an unraised pot" you really shouldnt have been in there in the first place. I know ur on BB but like blah, I could warrant folding.... What hands make sense for the villians holding to be 3 betting u on the 959 flop? 55? 9x? 1010+ no, would have raised....66-88? lol...maybe?

I dont know I think this is a tough laydown... but if you decide to 4bet... the only hands IMO that will call are hands that have you crushed. People still can flop the nuts you know! :)
 
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Raising to $20 in that spot sort of sucks because you have to call his shove, but you know you're beat if he shoves. I might either call flop raise, or just like, raise/fold to $9.25 in that spot.
 
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I wouldn't have raised in your position. You have a bad kicker. The 2 most likely hands you are up against are 55599 and 9's full with 999 better kicker. You can only beat a bluff.
 
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