$50NL 6-max: TP2K facing river CRAI from fish

Villain is a 50/7/35%(2.5) fish over 60 hands.

Thoughts on my line overall, and what are your thoughts on the river? Bet too small? Did we induce this shove? Don't call big bets from bad players?


full tilt poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players

Hero (UTG): $52.80 (105.6 bb)
MP: $18.75 (37.5 bb)
CO: $64.05 (128.1 bb)
BTN: $59.80 (119.6 bb)
SB: $54.30 (108.6 bb)
BB: $10 (20 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with Q♦ K♠
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($4.50) K♣ 4♣ 9♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.85, SB calls $3.85

Turn: ($12.20) K♣ 4♣ 9♥ 8♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9.95, SB calls $9.95

River: ($32.10) K♣ 4♣ 9♥ 8♥ 5♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8.25, SB raises to $38.50 and is all-in, Hero?

Awfully tight preflop raise for his vpip. If you were at a table with a lot of preflop raising going on and he held those numbers then I'm as baffled as you are, but if the table was generally passive to the flop I'd say you may have walked into something there. But I would say that river bet might have induced the shove. Those kamikazii types see backing off bet size as blood in the water to pump up their delusions of being the shark at the table. I run in to the same thing more often than I like at the .10/.25. Hopefully, if I can start cashing in my sklansky buck mountain I have going for some real ones I'll be able to talk better about your level

Preflop through turn look good to me. I know this probably sounds results oriented but I would check back the river. For one the board has gotten pretty nasty. He's loose passive preflop, but seems pretty aggressive post for someone that plays half thier hands, so I don't think you can assume he's going to be just check calling with worse and raising with better like the more tame fishies. As played I would reluctantly call the river. His line doesnt make to much sense to me, you showed weakness on the river and he is jamming all his chips in the middle when it looks like you might not have a hand you can call with. If he minraised or raised to like $24 or whatever I would expect to be behind more often.

nononono this river is a routine value bet against what appears to be a calling station. if we're playing with someone who seems to know what they're doing i'd be more inclined to agree with you but as things are we're losing value by not betting river given that villain will probably call with stuff like T9s.

i call the river because while donks love slowplaying, seeing them check-raise the river with a monster is incredibly uncommon. our small bet has induced the shove and while he could have something like KhXh he's just as likely to have a missed club draw or even be turning something like A9 or KT into a bluff (i've seen bad players check-raise rivers with marginal hands with some showdown value more than i've seen them do it with huge hands, that's for sure).

Yuck. Your line is fine and the river is an obvious value bet spot against villain.

Now what to do after he raises? His range is really polarized, he either flopped a monster (most likely a set) or he has a whole lot of nothing. His stats indicate that he's fairly aggressive postflop so bluffs are definitely in his range especially considering the size of your river bet.

So there's like $78 in the pot and it's $30 to call so he basically needs to be bluffing around 30% to be profitable for you to call. If you think he's bad enough to shove KJ or KT for value or something then it's a pretty easy call. Otherwise, idk, I think it really comes down to reads on the villain but I don't think calling of folding is a really big mistake.

fold i think

Dorkus Malorkus said:

or even be turning something like A9 or KT into a bluff

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Winner winner chicken dinner. The fish had A9. I called (obviously).