$50NL 6-max: Great turn to pot control with KK against passive

c9h13no3

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Villain is a passive 32/12/21%(1.4) over 50 hands or so.

The turn fills some draws, but the flop was is kinda dry otherwise. Do we want to bet/fold for value against what looks like a sloppy player, or check this back & control the size of the pot?

BB: $41.45 (82.9 bb)
CO: $107.45 (214.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): $114.95 (229.9 bb)
SB: $90.06 (180.1 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K K
CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, CO calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 5 9 Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3.95, CO calls $3.95

Turn: ($13.65) 8 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero????
 
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I'm torn between B/F $8 and checking behind to pick off his river bluff.

I think he has Qx or some pp like JJ/TT (I can see passives limping these hands sometimes) way more often than JT/76 so I lean toward vbetting.

If he calls the turn I think I bet 1/2 pot on river but I can see checking behind.
 
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Why are we trying to control the size of the pot? This guy likely calls down with TP. Bet, bet, bet (unless the river is absolutely horrible).
 
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Yea, I fire again on the turn and hope to get paid by a KQ/QJ.
 
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Yeah I don't see much chance in inducing a bluff from him on the river so I think we have to bet now and get value. 1/2 - 2/3 pot.
 
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Ready .... AIM .... FFFFFFIRE!

I agree that this dude calls you all the way down with QJ KJ or AQ and pays you. I'm probably throwing out a $10 bet at the turn.
 
c9h13no3

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Wow, so this downswing is affecting my play.... I thought I made a good play checking this back, but apparently I'm being results oriented.

Results: ** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
Villain checks
Hero checks
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
Villain bets [$13.65 USD]
Hero calls [$13.65 USD]
Villain shows [6c, 7c ]
Villain wins $38.95 USD from main pot
Hero shows [Kc, Ks ]
 
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Yeah this is bet/bet/bet for me. He's got some worse Qx hands in his range as well as pair+draw hands and random other pairs that will call down. If he raises the turn then that's a different story, but I'm valuetowning him until he does so.
 
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Wow, so this downswing is affecting my play....

I think it is. The turn only fills 2 potential straight draws draws and there is no way we should lose value from a Queen because we're afraid to bet. This guy is bad and he'll definitely call 3 with a lot worse than your Kings.

Of course now that you've posted the results, what a great money saving turn check! :)
 
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Of course now that you've posted the results, what a great money saving turn check! :)
Yeah, obviously during downswings you should check the turn because your overpair will never hold up, but during upswings, its an easy v-bet. >_X

Proof that over the past 10K hands, the only thing KK is good for is losing:

Light at the end of the tunnel please!
 

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Yeah, obviously during downswings you should check the turn because your overpair will never hold up, but during upswings, its an easy v-bet. >_X

I like this theory and if I combine it with setting my FT avatars mood to confused while always playing J6, I'll make a killing!!!
 
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Refer me to the J6 v00d00 cuz um, I think I could use this mojo.
 
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that's so bizarre because I used to see that...
 
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