500$ NLHE Full Ring: Pot control on a dry board

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I'm interested in opinions on bet sizing in given situation:
Live 2/5
Hero 170 bb (850$)
Villain 100 bb (500$) (businessman who plays 5/10 mostly, not much of information on him)

Hero on UTG raise to 30$ with :ah4: :kc4:
UTG+1 call
MD (villain) call
Cut off call
BB call

Pot 145$
Flop :10h4: :ad4: :2s4:
good dry board for AK. How much to bet ?
a) Small bet like 40$-50$ to get idea where you stand
b) Half the pot 75$ to get idea where you stand and keep off something like K10, Q10, J10.
c) 2/3 of the pot 100$
d) Pot size 145$

In my situation I did bet 75$, and got one call from MD, the rest fold.
Pot 295$
River :7c4:

Again how much to bet or check ? And what to do if raise is faced?
Possible range for MD: A10, AJ, AQ, AK, 22, 1010
a) bet small like 75$, good for pot control and as value bet.
b) bet half the pot 150$
c) bet 2/3 of the pot 230$
d) check

e)Let's say we bet 75$ and got raise to 250$ ? What to do ? Call/fold/all in
f)Let's say we bet 150$ and got raise to 400$ (villain all in) what to do ?
g)Let's say we check and villain bets 150$ what to do ? call/fold ? and you know that river bet will be the rest of his 250$.


Your opinions will be appreciated ! Thank you.
 
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I wish i was playing in the game that would get 4 callers of a 6x UTG raise ,sweet.Flop i bet $100-$125 making the pot $345-$395 leaving villain with $370-$345.In which case it's a clear shove on the turn.When you open for so many bb's it inflates the pot so fast.
 
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you'll have a more profitable shove if you get it in over 3 streets instead of 2.

6x is standard/small if anything in live poker JoeBob.
 
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Okay, but what is the point of creating pot so big on a such dry board, when its either you are against AJ AQ in this case you win or you loose to a A10, 1010 and 222. So its 2/5 win rate.
I understand shove on a board with any kind of draw, which is mathematically right thing to do, but here seems like better to keep pot small.
 
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Okay, but what is the point of creating pot so big on a such dry board, when its either you are against AJ AQ in this case you win or you loose to a A10, 1010 and 222. So its 2/5 win rate.

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Board: 2s Th Ad
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.604% 59.16% 00.45% 14641 111.00 { AhKc }
Hand 1: 40.396% 39.95% 00.45% 9887 111.00 { 22, AQs-ATs, AQo-ATo }
 
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you'll have a more profitable shove if you get it in over 3 streets instead of 2.

6x is standard/small if anything in live poker JoeBob.
I have played a ton of 2\5 live in my life and 6x is usually only standard if it's 01:00 or what ever and half the table is drunk.Normal for places i play is 3-4bb.Now 1-2 who knows some times 8x can be the norm. So you half pot, half pot, shove?
 
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Okay, but what is the point of creating pot so big on a such dry board, when its either you are against AJ AQ in this case you win or you loose to a A10, 1010 and 222. So its 2/5 win rate.
I understand shove on a board with any kind of draw, which is mathematically right thing to do, but here seems like better to keep pot small.
O and you can't keep the pot small your OOP.So ,,,,,, your going to do what bet the same as you did on the flop and check fold the river?Bet half pot and fold to a shove?Check call the turn then fold the river?Baudib might be right about betting maybe around $175 or so on turn then shoveing the river but i shove the turn here.
 
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oh well $25 is a standard open in my $2/$5 games

i like keeping his range wider and giving him good odds to call river shove
 
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bet 105ish on flop,

your MD range is wayyyyyyyyyyy too tight, Ax, Tx, its live so i wouldnt be surprised seeing gutters or mid pairs.

also what happend to the turn?

Okay, but what is the point of creating pot so big on a such dry board

VALUE!

the combos of him having AT/A2 or sets are far less than any other kind of AQ/AJ/A9/A8/A7/A6/A5/A4/A3
 
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checking turn is bad imo. he clearly has pair+, given the dry ace high board. well i guess their is a small chance he floated the flop with a gutshot but unlikely imo.
if we check he will certainly bet. we are ahead of his range so go ahead and bet.

doubt he would raise turn with less so i would opt for $100-$125
no reason to bet more imo. but less may send a weakness signal and put us in a tough spot if villain raises.

any more is unnecessary imo b/c on that dry board most are not going to raise with less than 2 pair+.
bet/fold turn imo.
 
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checking turn is bad imo. he clearly has pair+, given the dry ace high board. well i guess their is a small chance he floated the flop with a gutshot but unlikely imo.
if we check he will certainly bet. we are ahead of his range so go ahead and bet.

doubt he would raise turn with less so i would opt for $100-$125
no reason to bet more imo. but less may send a weakness signal and put us in a tough spot if villain raises.

any more is unnecessary imo b/c on that dry board most are not going to raise with less than 2 pair+.
bet/fold turn imo.
Another broad way card kills the action in this hand.Live players will stack here with AJ\AQ.Although like baudib said they might pay off worse with A9 etc.with ~$170ish bet on the turn then call the shove.I'm not sure witch is the best play now that i think about.
 
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Another broad way card kills the action in this hand.Live players will stack here with AJ\AQ.Although like baudib said they might pay off worse with A9 etc.with ~$170ish bet on the turn then call the shove.I'm not sure witch is the best play now that i think about.

to be fair, i am generally a SNG player but in the process of learning cash game strategy.
imo most are not going to raise turn with less so i like bet/fold on turn.
if villain flats then i am shoving river.

if my thinking is incorrect then plz give me a better line. i'm here to learn.
 
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I would take the following line: bet the 100 on the flop, and as villain called I'd check the turn. I want him to have the opportunity to put in a big bluff. I think if he perceives weakness from you, he'll put push with AQ AJ A10 K10 etc. In that case I'd call easily. If he put a smaller bet in I'd come over the top. If he checks, I'm a lot more suspicious and the river becomes more complex problem. I think he may check back with trips or complete air. In this case I'm looking for a read on the player to sense where he's at. I know this isn't the most mathematically heavy line, but this is how I play the live game in a similar situation. Just my 2 c.

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250 on turn shove river IMO. Live players are lolbad
 
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I have played a ton of 2\5 live in my life and 6x is usually only standard if it's 01:00 or what ever and half the table is drunk.Normal for places i play is 3-4bb.Now 1-2 who knows some times 8x can be the norm. So you half pot, half pot, shove?

On a turn I did bet 150$, and he raised all in for 400$. I called, he had set of deuces.
 
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On a turn I did bet 150$, and he raised all in for 400$. I called, he had set of deuces.
results don't mater the correct play matters over a range see

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Board: 2s Th Ad
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.604% 59.16% 00.45% 14641 111.00 { AhKc }
Hand 1: 40.396% 39.95% 00.45% 9887 111.00 { 22, AQs-ATs, AQo-ATo }
And i think this might be a little tight of a range for a unknown live player but still
 
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I'm interested in opinions on bet sizing in given situation:
Live 2/5
Hero 170 bb (850$)
Villain 100 bb (500$) (businessman who plays 5/10 mostly, not much of information on him)

Hero on UTG raise to 30$ with :ah4: :kc4:
UTG+1 call
MD (villain) call
Cut off call
BB call

Pot 145$
Flop :10h4: :ad4: :2s4:
good dry board for AK. How much to bet ?
a) Small bet like 40$-50$ to get idea where you stand
b) Half the pot 75$ to get idea where you stand and keep off something like K10, Q10, J10.
c) 2/3 of the pot 100$
d) Pot size 145$

In my situation I did bet 75$, and got one call from MD, the rest fold.
Pot 295$
River :7c4:

Again how much to bet or check ? And what to do if raise is faced?
Possible range for MD: A10, AJ, AQ, AK, 22, 1010
a) bet small like 75$, good for pot control and as value bet.
b) bet half the pot 150$
c) bet 2/3 of the pot 230$
d) check

e)Let's say we bet 75$ and got raise to 250$ ? What to do ? Call/fold/all in
f)Let's say we bet 150$ and got raise to 400$ (villain all in) what to do ?
g)Let's say we check and villain bets 150$ what to do ? call/fold ? and you know that river bet will be the rest of his 250$.


Your opinions will be appreciated ! Thank you.


Just curious how did you setup your live hands to show such as this? I can't figure that part out , plz help...
 
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