$500 Max Turned Str8 facing all in

Hero $1000
Villain $500

$2/$5 blinds live

Hero: 2h, 4c
I limp from EP, cutoff limps, blinds complete.

Flop: 5c, 6c, 9s
Blinds check, I check, cutoff bets $15, SB folds, BB (Villain) calls, I call.
Turn: 3s
BB bets $35, I raise to $100, cutoff folds, BB (Villain) raises to $375 leaving $75 behind.
Hero ???

The only 2 hands that beat me are 4,7 and 7,8. The question in my mind was whether he would make that move with 2 pair or a set. Given the double suited board I thought it was even more likely that he would. He was a relatively tight player though, not involved in too many pots.

FOLD flop - you're drawing to a potentially dead hand, and your outs are nowhere near clean. I'm almost never calling that bet.

As played on turn I think we can get away from it. It's a little risky of him to have played the flop like that with 78, but it's a big possibility. Two pair/set is also possible but I'd think he would get a lot more money in on the flop since it's so draw-heavy. The one hand that really sticks out to me is 74 since it fits the action perfectly.

Anyways I fold this on the flop, and as played I think I fold this on the turn.

Fold preflop, you're in EP with 24o. As played fold the flop, you have a gut shot to the 3rd straight (which you end up hitting). You then get 3-bet by your opponent when there are 2 straights that beat you. Tough decision here, probably a fold but easy fold preflop and even easier fold postflop. No reason to be involved in this hand at all.

oh woops...thought OP was blinded in...wtf are you doing limping 24?

This is why many advise against playing hands like these, difficult decisions for the remainder of the hand. It's very difficult to get the nuts with 24os and much easier to get 2nd best hand. Even if two 2s or two 4s flop you may still have the second best hand.

Fold preflop, fold post flop.

ON the river it costs you 350 (I assume the 75 villan has left is going into the pot either here or on the river) into a pot of 615 almost 2 to 1. How loose have you been playing? I assume pretty loose if your playing 24 os from early position. If you've shown down marginal hands especially 2 suited cards villan may put you on a flush draw and make this move with less than a bigger straight.

I would say your move here depends more on your image than villans.

I was aware I’d get a lot of “fold preflop, fold flop” comments. however there are differences in live versus online play. one of those being that people will not put you on garbage hands like 24o. Everyone is out there playing solid hands and your goal is to bust someone with a str8 when they have a set, or 2 pair when they have TPTK. it is not about stealing the blinds and maybe snapping off a preflop raise here and there as is a much bigger part of online strategy. that’s why typically this is a dream situation in that you have a straight with no overcards. many online players will commit their whole stack with QQ-AA, 2 pair or a set on a board like that. however, no one raised preflop so an overpair was very unlikely in this situation.

in addition, when playing live people readily pick up on tight players and do not pay them off, so you need to be in the mix every round or so.

in any event, he had flopped the nut straight.

Oh God. Please fold this hand pre-flop, and any hands like it in future unless your playing from the button/CO, at least then you can play your strategy of getting big hands to pay you when you flop huge and well disguised. Playing trash hands from EP like this means essentially your playing dark, with no-information of what anyone else is holding, how can you possibly know your playing against when you limp from EP.

Make a better arguement if you want to defend playing total garbage hands UTG, I play live lots and lots as well, and your defence of this stragegy is BS. FYI the online play is much/much/much stronger online at equilivent levels (and below, down to nl100/200) than it is live. (at the moment)

Your hand: Fold pre-flop/fold flop/fold turn.

why would you ever do anything except fold flop? so people wont put you on 42o but you'll still lose?

red_dawn_28 said:

I was aware I’d get a lot of “fold preflop, fold flop” comments. however there are differences in live versus online play. one of those being that people will not put you on garbage hands like 24o. Everyone is out there playing solid hands and your goal is to bust someone with a str8 when they have a set, or 2 pair when they have TPTK. it is not about stealing the blinds and maybe snapping off a preflop raise here and there as is a much bigger part of online strategy. that’s why typically this is a dream situation in that you have a straight with no overcards. many online players will commit their whole stack with QQ-AA, 2 pair or a set on a board like that. however, no one raised preflop so an overpair was very unlikely in this situation.

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Not all of us are just online players, we've played live as well. You are in EP and you limp 24o. What if you get raised, are you really committing $20 or $25 with 24o preflop? You don't have to just play monsters, but either do this in good position where there's a lot of dead money in the pot and if you do flop a monster you can win a lot of money, or at least wait for decent hands like at least a 56s. Why didn't you just push all-in? They never would expect 24o. The point is that the goal of poker isn't to trick everyone, it's to get their money. While tricking does go a long way, if you play so bad just to deceive, it doesn't help. It'd be like punting on 1st and 10 on your opponent's 40 in football. They'd never be expecting it and you'd probably pin them deep in their territory. It's still a horrible play though.


in addition, when playing live people readily pick up on tight players and do not pay them off, so you need to be in the mix every round or so.

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red_dawn_28 said:

I was aware I’d get a lot of “fold preflop, fold flop” comments. however there are differences in live versus online play. one of those being that people will not put you on garbage hands like 24o. Everyone is out there playing solid hands and your goal is to bust someone with a str8 when they have a set, or 2 pair when they have TPTK. it is not about stealing the blinds and maybe snapping off a preflop raise here and there as is a much bigger part of online strategy. that’s why typically this is a dream situation in that you have a straight with no overcards. many online players will commit their whole stack with QQ-AA, 2 pair or a set on a board like that. however, no one raised preflop so an overpair was very unlikely in this situation.

in addition, when playing live people readily pick up on tight players and do not pay them off, so you need to be in the mix every round or so.

in any event, he had flopped the nut straight.

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Wtf casino do you play at where live players are all playing solid hands? A full ring .50-1 NL game on Full Tilt is better poker than most 2-5 B&M games.

Also, you can be in the mix without limping 2-4 offsuit under the gun ...

actually i meant to say "many LIVE players will committ their whole stack with QQ-AA..."

i did not mean to slight online players. i totally agree that online play is better than live even at 1/10 the blind levels. i keep track and i can admit i am a losing online player (hence why i read the forums to try to get better) but winning live player.

I just wanted to see how many people would have had a difficult/easy time laying down the small straight.

if someone could explain how being on the button/cutoff in this hand would have made it much easier to play? i had position on the Villain.

red_dawn_28 said:

actually i meant to say "many LIVE players will committ their whole stack with QQ-AA..."

i did not mean to slight online players. i totally agree that online play is better than live even at 1/10 the blind levels. i keep track and i can admit i am a losing online player (hence why i read the forums to try to get better) but winning live player.

I just wanted to see how many people would have had a difficult/easy time laying down the small straight.

if someone could explain how being on the button/cutoff in this hand would have made it much easier to play? i had position on the Villain.

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Poker is situational, and based on your reasoning behind THIS hand being played from EP, you rarely fold any hands from here. This is leak, ok this time you had position and could guage from your opponents betting pattern what he had, but the vast majority of the time you will be out of position, hence the recomendation that if you are to play baby one gappers, then play them in position in future.