$50 PLO 6-max: 50PLO zoom: nut full house facing river 3b, 320BB ESS

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total puke spot. does he ever do this with worse hands? QT probably but thats basically impossible combination wise.

so is river a shove or a flat? is shoving spew? not sure if he can ever call river if i 4b jam w worse, unless its epic QT cooler

thoughts?

poker stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 2177437
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BTN: $19.81
SB: $161.82
BB: $50.50
UTG: $54.78
MP: $193.47
Hero (CO): $333.19

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with Q
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A
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Q
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8
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2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) T
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3
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Q
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(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, SB calls $3.50, BB folds

Turn: ($11.50) 8
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SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($11.50) T
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SB bets $10.98, Hero raises to $29.10, SB raises to $50.50, Hero ??????????
 
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I'd bet the turn. River is a little pukey, reads would help, but mostly shoving over and having him show me quads.
 
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+1. QT is thin on combos but it's more likely than TT if you think he'll go broke with QT in this manner. Being this deep, I don't know that he does, but meh.
 
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fyi playing 59/36/7.9 after 549 hands so people giving me zero credit and total donk status a highly plausible option despite my totally balla stack
 
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and yes i prob shouldve been turn, but im not that confident with omaha yet and didnt particularly want to get x/r'ed this deep and be put in another puke spot OTR when it doesnt pair or hearts come in and he casually pots it
 
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and doesnt QT and TT 3b pot instead of funky min 3b? especially cos i checked it back OTT?
 
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You may have under rep your hand and he could be doing this w/ worse boats imo. As played I would pay off this hand.
 
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any under repping though is negated by the fact that i pot raise his pot OTR. the fact that he mins suggests to me that he thinks i could possibly be bluffing, and is rebluffing me with nothing.

and im always paying this off, question is whether i should just flat or shove. not flat or fold
 
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So sick, im shoving the river though i reckon
 
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Wait thinking about it, maybe its a nit up and call? urghhhhh
 
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Just read the hand properly after the turn action im shoving river for sure
 
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Meh Just jam. Most combos of TT repot flop. If he has it so be it but there are a lot of worse hands that do this.
 
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Doesnt turn action make it seem way more like I have a monster?
And Marg does he call Those worse hands to a 4b shove, ie 33/88/QT if he's doing this for value in your opinion?

Is there any possibility that he could think I'm bluffing and be rebuffing me here? (in which case I click it back and hope he shoves total air or a lol hand for value?)
 
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Well the thing about it is if someone is going to be 3 betting those hands on the river they probably arent folding. Like its not even thin value to be raising there with those hands.
 
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Also just for the sake of it, there are the same number of combos of TT and QT and I assume they are played the exact same way. Then when you add in random Spazzes, its going to profitable.
 
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Also just for the sake of it, there are the same number of combos of TT and QT and I assume they are played the exact same way. Then when you add in random Spazzes, its going to profitable.

It's 5am and I've been up since 7am yesterday, but isn't there 2 combos of QT and only one of TT?

And ye I know raising those hands via 3b isn't even thin Val it's just spaz, hence why I think this is TT most of the time (although I can see QT doing it), but I then don't understand why he would ever min 3b and not pot
 
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It's 5am and I've been up since 7am yesterday, but isn't there 2 combos of QT and only one of TT?

If you look at it as 2 cards like in holdem then yes you are right here and he is wrong. This is why I said QT is more likely if we assume villain plays both hands the same way.
 
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Also just for the sake of it, there are the same number of combos of TT and QT and I assume they are played the exact same way. Then when you add in random Spazzes, its going to profitable.

I was going to make this point also
 
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Yeah wait... I'm not sure how to do this cos it's Omaha, but since we have 4 cards doesn't that mean there's way more combos of QT than TT since we're getting dealt 4 cards?
Anyone know how to work that out?
TTxx TxTx TxxT xTxT xxTT
QTxx QxTx QxxT xQxT xxQT, *2 to account for both Ts, then add all TT combinations aswell?

Wow so off topic but I'm definitely wrong and therefore now I'm really curious as to how to work that out.
 
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JC, I think you're forgetting that certain combos of TTxx are the same...just like in hold'em, you wouldn't count AcAs as being a separate hand than AsAc.
 
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JC, I think you're forgetting that certain combos of TTxx are the same...just like in hold'em, you wouldn't count AcAs as being a separate hand than AsAc.

But you would count AsAc2h3h as a different combo to AsAc5s7s wouldn't you? Or is it completely irrelevant because we only care about 2 of the cards. Im embarrassed to admit I have no idea.

What I'm getting at is that he can only have TT, QxTs QxTc QxTsTc, and theyre all his relevant combos right? Or did I double count again (not sure if last one counts or not)


Nope wait. Stared at it a hit more and I get it now. I need sleep
Zzzzz
 
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