$50 NLHE Full Ring: What is the right move??

$50 NL HE Full Ring: What is the right move??

tage #1838087952: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2010-01-06 02:44:53 (ET)
Table: ITALY DR (real money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 7 - GROSSBERGER ($61.08 in chips)
Seat 8 - ACE723 ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 9 - DONTOUCHMINE ($14.36 in chips)
Seat 2 - JMATA101 ($27.20 in chips)
Seat 3 - GATE2WIRE111 ($64.90 in chips)
Seat 4 - SANDS327 ($40.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - PONYROS ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 6 - SKLIB ($21.47 in chips)
ACE723 - Posts small blind $0.25
DONTOUCHMINE - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to GROSSBERGER [Kc Kh]
JMATA101 - Folds
GATE2WIRE111 - Folds
SANDS327 - Calls $0.50
PONYROS - Folds
SKLIB - Calls $0.50
GROSSBERGER - Raises $2 to $2
ACE723 - Folds
DONTOUCHMINE - Calls $1.50
SANDS327 - Folds
SKLIB - Calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [6h 2c 5c]
DONTOUCHMINE - Checks
SKLIB - Bets $1
GROSSBERGER - Raises $3 to $3
DONTOUCHMINE - Calls $3
SKLIB - Raises $17.75 to $18.75
GROSSBERGER - ???????

Firstly, I raise more preflop, probably to 2.5 or 3$. I also raise more on the flop, if he is betting 1$ into a 7$ pot you can make it atleast 5.5, makes it easier to get stacks in.. Seeing as effective stacks are only 40bb deep, I find it hard to get away unless I have a read that villains are ridiculously passive postflop.

Raise more everywhere (and convert hands!).

As marginal said, seeing as the 'primary' villain is sitting with less than half a stack it's pretty much impossible to not stack off here without some magical kind of read because (a) there are plenty of draws and smaller overpairs that are reasonably feasible holdings for him (as well as the off chance that he's just spewing with nothing) and as a sort of corollary to that (b) given that he's sitting with less than half a stack we can assume with reasonable accuracy that he is a bad player.

Are you rich?

i'm asking because i think it's quite obvious you're not a winning player at 50nl (yet?), so it's only ok to play at that level if you can really afford to lose quite a few buy-ins for your gambling pleasure. Otherwise my one and only advice will be: move down in stakes.

With this caveat, you need to raise more preflop. About pot-sized, so $3 would be nice. Raise more on the flop and be happy to play for stacks. Both villains are playing short so there is no way you can ever fold an overpair here.

Dorkus Malorkus said:

Raise more everywhere (and convert hands!).

As marginal said, seeing as the 'primary' villain is sitting with less than half a stack it's pretty much impossible to not stack off here without some magical kind of read because (a) there are plenty of draws and smaller overpairs that are reasonably feasible holdings for him (as well as the off chance that he's just spewing with nothing) and as a sort of corollary to that (b) given that he's sitting with less than half a stack we can assume with reasonable accuracy that he is a bad player.

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I don't know what it is but I find the hand conversion much harder to read, I realise for others its much easier but for me I keep having to go back and forth trying to figure out what is going on.

BelgoSuisse said:

Are you rich?

i'm asking because i think it's quite obvious you're not a winning player at 50nl (yet?), so it's only ok to play at that level if you can really afford to lose quite a few buy-ins for your gambling pleasure. Otherwise my one and only advice will be: move down in stakes.

With this caveat, you need to raise more preflop. About pot-sized, so $3 would be nice. Raise more on the flop and be happy to play for stacks. Both villains are playing short so there is no way you can ever fold an overpair here.

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No I'm not rich as I have said in previous post I have thrown BRM out the window on Ultimate Bet because .25/.50 is the lowest stakes you can play at a jackpot table.

I will post the rest of the hand later today I will say this I did have a read on the guy, we had been playing for about hour at the same table.

Grossberger said:

No I'm not rich as I have said in previous post I have thrown BRM out the window on Ultimate Bet because .25/.50 is the lowest stakes you can play at a jackpot table.

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this reasoning tells me you will be broke very soon.

Munchrs said:

this reasoning tells me you will be broke very soon.

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Its possible but it was $100 that I could lose and oh yea I have taken it from $100 to know I have $550 in just a week.

Grossberger said:

Its possible but it was $100 that I could lose and oh yea I have taken it from $100 to know I have $550 in just a week.

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Then move down to 25nl and forget the BBJ. You are only going to hurt yourself.

Grossberger said:

Its possible but it was $100 that I could lose and oh yea I have taken it from $100 to know I have $550 in just a week.

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isildur1 did

cause both are extremly low on chips I can see a call here...
if youre beat you have the 2 Ks and BDFD as outs...

if they were 100bbs deep its an easy fold..
also.. as stated before... raise bigger on both streets...
BRM might be one of the most important things in poker.. you might wanna reconsider throwing that out of the window just to be playing at jackpot table...

Ok here is the rest of the hand

tage #1838087952: Holdem No Limit $0.50 - 2010-01-06 02:44:53 (ET)
Table: ITALY DR (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 7 - GROSSBERGER ($61.08 in chips)
Seat 8 - ACE723 ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 9 - DONTOUCHMINE ($14.36 in chips)
Seat 2 - JMATA101 ($27.20 in chips)
Seat 3 - GATE2WIRE111 ($64.90 in chips)
Seat 4 - SANDS327 ($40.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - PONYROS ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 6 - SKLIB ($21.47 in chips)
ACE723 - Posts small blind $0.25
DONTOUCHMINE - Posts big blind $0.50
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to GROSSBERGER [Kc Kh]
JMATA101 - Folds
GATE2WIRE111 - Folds
SANDS327 - Calls $0.50
PONYROS - Folds
SKLIB - Calls $0.50
GROSSBERGER - Raises $2 to $2
ACE723 - Folds
DONTOUCHMINE - Calls $1.50
SANDS327 - Folds
SKLIB - Calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [6h 2c 5c]
DONTOUCHMINE - Checks
SKLIB - Bets $1
GROSSBERGER - Raises $3 to $3
DONTOUCHMINE - Calls $3
SKLIB - Raises $17.75 to $18.75
GROSSBERGER - Folds
DONTOUCHMINE - All-In $9.36
SKLIB - returned ($6.39) : not called
*** TURN *** [6h 2c 5c] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [6h 2c 5c 6c] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SKLIB - Shows [2h 2d] (Full house, twos full of sixes)
DONTOUCHMINE - Shows [Qs As] (One pair, sixes)
SKLIB Collects $32.27 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($34.47) | Rake ($1.70) | Jackpot Rake ($0.50)
Board [6h 2c 5c 6c Jc]
Seat 2: JMATA101 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: GATE2WIRE111 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: SANDS327 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: PONYROS Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: SKLIB won Total ($32.27) HI$32.27) with Full house, twos full of sixes [2h 2d - P:2h,P:2d,B:2c,B:6h,B:6c]
Seat 7: GROSSBERGER (dealer) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 8: ACE723 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: DONTOUCHMINE (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, sixes [Qs As - B:6h,B:6c,P:As,P:Qs,B:Jc]

Good thing you had a read on him, tough to throw it away with that board. I would have raised more preflop, not saying it would make a difference. I had KK and raised 5X the BB on the button and the BB called. Flop was A8x, I bet they raised all in. I folded, they showed 88, good thing for me the A hit. The BB had been playing A rag off all tourney.

Sure you could raise a little more preflop, and you should raise more on the flop (i treat underbets as if they didn't exist and usually raise to whatever I planned on betting anyway plus his bet) but that's not the point of this post, the point is what to do about the decision. The min bet/reshove is almost always a monster. Unless you have reason to believe otherwise 1 pair is no good here...the times it is, is when villain got cute with TT-QQ and overvalues it (at micro/low stakes this is a possibility).

Edit: I just realized there is a club draw on the board... bad players will sometimes play FDs in this manner as well -- probably makes it closer to a call now

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I didn't even know the results were in there... I'm a genius!

Raise more both streets, yes. Good lay down, I would have put him on a FD and paid him off, luckily you had your info on him.

I don't get dealt KK enough to barely raise it . . . with two limpers already I'd probably pop it up to 6-7 BBs depending on the table.