$50 NLHE Full Ring: Villain's take

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$50 NL HE Full Ring: Villain's take

I'm the villain in the BB in the hand below. My second orbit and I haven't played a hand yet.

Nut flush draw on the flop with possibly one overcard, add a gut shot draw on the turn, but am I missing something or is this just badly played all the way down?



poker stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP1: 102 bb
MP2: 100 bb
MP3: 116.1 bb
CO: 11.3 bb
BTN: 19.3 bb
SB: 124.6 bb
BB: 100 bb
UTG: 18.5 bb
Hero (UTG+1): 94.4 bb

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8
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A
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UTG folds, Hero calls 1 bb, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls 1 bb, BTN folds, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: (3.5 bb) 6
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K
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9
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(3 players)
BB bets 3 bb, Hero calls 3 bb,
CO raises to 10.3 bb and is all-in
,
BB raises to 28 bb
, Hero calls 25 bb

Turn: (69.8 bb) 5
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(3 players, 1 is all-in)
BB bets 71 bb and is all-in, Hero calls 65.4 bb and is all-in

:confused:
 
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I might put him on K 9 since he would probably raise PF with AK or KK. As for the all in he is probably trying to get you off the flush draw. That would be my guess. Please show the river/showdown.
 
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I might put him on K 9 since he would probably raise PF with AK or KK. As for the all in he is probably trying to get you off the flush draw. That would be my guess. Please show the river/showdown.

Okay, except,

I'm the villain in the BB in the hand below.

I modified the hand history to look at it from my opponent's point of view.
 
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Not sure what your image is but it looks like a set from you.

Yes, the A8d is pretty badly played in IMO, he's fallen in love with the draw.
 
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6's?

And yes, he played it poorly
 
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Obviously this was played horribly by the hero. I don't think there is much to even discuss here.
 
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I have found something interesting to discuss here.

This is the first time I have seen a hand history modified to show it from another player's perspective -- interesting idea!

I must say, I was confused for quite some time. Perhaps, it would be better to keep your name as the hero and the villain as the villain. Just remove your hole cards and replace them with his? Not sure, but I eventually got it.
 
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Okay, thanks guys. It seemed pretty obvious to me at first that it was badly played/overvalued, but for some reason I started wondering. Maybe because I haven't played a lot of 50nl yet.


Not sure what your image is but it looks like a set from you.

Yes, the A8d is pretty badly played in IMO, he's fallen in love with the draw.

Nice to see you Schatz; haven't seen you around much lately.

No image; my second orbit and I haven't played a hand yet. I guess, not loose, anyway. The only thing that I can figure is maybe because I'm an unknown he's guessing that I might still be an aggro donk.

I have found something interesting to discuss here.

This is the first time I have seen a hand history modified to show it from another player's perspective -- interesting idea!

I seem to do this more often than most people; I dunno why. Just trying to figure out how other people are thinking, I guess.

Just replace the name and cards dealt at the opening of the hand history and submit to a hand converter.
 
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fwiw, my take, action by action:

Open limp with suited non-straight making Ace, bad. I don't mind limping suited Aces behind limpers, but not open limping.

Call with nut flush draw, not quite as bad. Generally I might slightly prefer a raise but there's one to act behind and a set from BB is going to raise/shove. A raise, assuming the player behind folds, might fold a weak King, a 9 or middle/low pocket pair that stabbed at the limped/fairly dry flop.

Call of the short stack shove/BB raise, bad. Maybe shove with the nut flush draw, but the BB raise indicates there's probably no fold equity.

Call on the turn with no fold equity but added gutshot straight, up against at least two pair/set unless BB (me) is a aggro donk overvaluing KQ/KJ or something, bad. Still gotta fold, I think.


All in all, a bad preflop choice leading to a series of more difficult/expensive decisions. Played a lot more like something I would expect to see at $10nl or lower.


Any other thoughts/comments still appreciated, but maybe it's a dead horse.
 
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Any other thoughts/comments still appreciated, but maybe it's a dead horse.

I really don't think this is any more complicated than the felt "lucky" he would catch his draw. And if you hadn't gotten it in on the turn you would have lost a lot of money.

Granted I don't play these stakes but this appears to be a case were you are giving a donkey way too much credit for actually having a thought process for the hand.
 
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I really don't think this is any more complicated than the felt "lucky" he would catch his draw. And if you hadn't gotten it in on the turn you would have lost a lot of money.

Granted I don't play these stakes but this appears to be a case were you are giving a donkey way too much credit for actually having a thought process for the hand.

Yep, probably. Could be a result of being new to the stakes, plus remembering thinking as I shove the turn with my K9, "well, if he has a set, good for him" (though if he had a set he should have shoved the flop over the raises).
 
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Nice to see you Schatz; haven't seen you around much lately.

No image; my second orbit and I haven't played a hand yet. I guess, not loose, anyway. The only thing that I can figure is maybe because I'm an unknown he's guessing that I might still be an aggro donk.

Yip, I took a big break from Poker and Cardschat, but I'm back now and it feels great to be on the felt again. I'm going to be concentrating more on PLO, 6 handed.

You been travelling okay?
 
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Yip, I took a big break from Poker and Cardschat, but I'm back now and it feels great to be on the felt again. I'm going to be concentrating more on PLO, 6 handed.

You been travelling okay?

Great, we need more PLO experts and discussion.


And, nope, he missed the flush.
 
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be he hit his straight? ;)
 
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