$50 NLHE Full Ring: TPTK raised vs unknown halfstacker

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$50 NL HE Full Ring: TPTK raised vs unknown halfstacker

Just going over some hands and figured i would post some.
Probably mostly standard stuff but appreciate any feedback.

Villain is unknown, bought in halfstacked and is running at 21/10/INF.
Im a 19/15/5 at this table.

CO: $33.90 (67.8 bb)
BTN: $13.95 (27.9 bb)
SB: $9.70 (19.4 bb)
BB: $106.95 (213.9 bb)
UTG: $18.60 (37.2 bb)
UTG+1: $50 (100 bb)
MP1: $11.45 (22.9 bb)
Hero (MP2): $66.60 (133.2 bb)
MP3: $68 (136 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with Q
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UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, MP3 folds, CO calls $2.50, 2 folds, BB calls $2, UTG folds

Flop: ($8.25) 3
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9
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Q
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(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, CO raises to $12, BB folds, Hero?



So far villain seems aggro so i would imagine he raises some draws atleast and stuff like KQ and QJ are probably in his range.
Ship it in? Villain has 19$ behind so i dont think he is folding very often.
 
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I lean towards calling. Sure, he's got some flush draws in his range, but he's been so aggressive that he likely has some other crap in his range as well. I'd call here, and give him an opportunity to jam turn, obviously jamming turn myself if checked to.
 
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meh i dunno if jammalamming is best here, since i think a decent chunk of his range is complete and total air just because he doesnt like to fold.

All the hands villain is raising for value, he will bet on the turn/call river. Unless the turn and river is runner spades or straight cards. I just prefer calling then checking turn to let him jam his air
 
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what is really ahead of you here? 99s and 33s.... he would ve 3bet QQs pf I assume... I think the pot is around 25.00 when he raised so with a call it is 32.00.... I believe he is committing himself to the hand having less than 20.00 behind.... I think reraise or folding is the play... cause calling will just leave you in a tough spot on the turn...
 
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The problem with trying to play passively and induce versus his air is that the texture radically reduces the amount of air he can have. And, furthermore, I don't think we'll make a lot of money versus his air on average even when we do call, because calling a raise out of position on this board will make 7h6h think twice about firing again.

That's of course also ignoring that he raised with a third player yet to act, which further reduces the chance of this being a naked bluff. No, I don't like calling at all. In position, or with much deeper stacks, it would be different, but here, I don't see any option but to shove.
 
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The problem with trying to play passively and induce versus his air is that the texture radically reduces the amount of air he can have. And, furthermore, I don't think we'll make a lot of money versus his air on average even when we do call, because calling a raise out of position on this board will make 7h6h think twice about firing again.

That's of course also ignoring that he raised with a third player yet to act, which further reduces the chance of this being a naked bluff. No, I don't like calling at all. In position, or with much deeper stacks, it would be different, but here, I don't see any option but to shove.

I agree, shove. You might be against a flush draw or maybe even jacks. What are you going to do if the flush card comes?
 
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What hands are calling a shove, that won't stack on later streets though? If he wasn't so aggro, i'd shove, but i just think he has too much air in his range. If we aren't going to call, I prefer CiB to shoving, just so that he has the option to do something with his air
 
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What hands are calling a shove, that won't stack on later streets though? If he wasn't so aggro, i'd shove, but i just think he has too much air in his range. If we aren't going to call, I prefer CiB to shoving, just so that he has the option to do something with his air

Flushdraws that check back the turn and miss won't stack off. JTo that check back the turn and miss won't stack off.

When you say "too much air" what kind of hands are you referring to? I mean, even if we give the guy 25% of hands preflop, and we assume that he raises ALL of them on this flop, he's still sitting on 20+% equity. Even if he "only" raises 80% of the time (i.e. folding the bottom 20% of his range), his equity is 25%+ - and that's including all the small pocket pairs. Almost all broadway or high-card combinations of at the very least a straight draw, if not a pair. There are some hands like 7h6h which completely whiffed, but there's preciously few of those.

This is not a board on which there exists a lot of air-hands.
 
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hands like j,8/8,t, even random stuff like AJ. I mean its not like we have the deck crippled, i know that, and im not saying shoving isn't a good option, since all options except folding are good. I just think with someone that aggro, we want to give them the option to bet/raise as opposed to calling.

After my last post, i actually prefer CiB to calling now, then shoving any turn, just to give him the option of going crazy
 
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Switch, if we where to call would we still call a turn shove on Ks or Js turn?
 
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meh the KS is the only really ickey turn card when it comes to facing a shove and i would probably call but sighing while i do it. Snap calling every other card in the deck though
 
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I shove too. Many draws in his range that Will call now but play perfect on later streets if we play passive
 
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I shoved villain flipped over kings and they held.

I kinda like switches idea of cib since it basicly acomplishes the same thing as shoving with the added bonus of possible getting random spazes.

meh i dno just sucks he showed up with top of his range.
 
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I kinda like switches idea of cib since it basicly acomplishes the same thing as shoving with the added bonus of possible getting random spazes.
Or lets him call with odds with all his draws.... I think even KJ might have odds on a CiB.
 
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Or lets him call with odds with all his draws.... I think even KJ might have odds on a CiB.

but it doesnt matter if he has odds on a hand like kj because it is super unlikely he will fold for the bit extra if he misses the turn
 
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The commited too much and there are too many draws out there, I will get it in here and expect to be ahead quiet a lot
 
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