$50 NLHE Full Ring: Top pocket pair post flop...cbet size as PF raiser?

$50 NL HE Full Ring: Top pocket pair post flop...cbet size as PF raiser?

So every once in a while I run into TT-AA with 3 to 5 players seeing the flop. The flop comes all low and I still have top pair but assuming a mixed range of villains, how much would you cbet in situations like these?

Absolute/Ultimatebet Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Absolute/Ultimatebet Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($11.25)
SB ($88.30)
BB ($50.10)
UTG ($39.81)
Hero (UTG+1) ($52)
MP1 ($64.05)
MP2 ($47.75)
CO ($61.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K , K
UTG calls $0.50, Hero bets $2.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2.25, 3 folds, BB calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.75

Flop: ($9.25) 8 , 8 , 10 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets ???

Great position for a check raise or a raise from villains, at the same time a standard bet must be made to gain value from chasers. What is the right balance here?

$9, get it it against any ch/r.

WVHillbilly said:

$9, get it it against any ch/r.

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+1. board is we enough for us to cbet close to pot, and we're never folding here.

Ditto. Note that the pair is relatively safe for us, but still has draws available. TT and 8x are just coolers.

Da da da dammn...so even with 4 villains in the pot we are getting it in? Lets say the board was 68T rainbow instead of a pair of 8s. Does that change anything?

This is a tough situation, about as wet as a flop as you can get with 3 other players in the pot. Just getting it in as fast as possible on this flop rarely leaves you that far ahead of anyone. You can get yourself allin against monster combo draws or 8x where your drawing to two outs. I dont mind checking back this flop at all and looking at bet sizing on the turn. Flush draws and 10x will def bet out on the turn some, but you can just call that because I dont see worse hands bluffing the river that often on this board. If a spade falls on the the turn I would call almost any bet, fold to bet and raises in front of me. If another 8 fell I would def try to get it in because now your hand is semi disguised with the check and 10x fh prb wont fold. If another 10 fell your in a pretty tough spot and I might even consider folding to any bet, but a call isnt bad because a non-fh rarely bets the river. If you and another villain are heads up against a turn spade and he bet out, I think you can reevaluate play style on the riv if still only 3 spades. If another spade fell on the river I dont think worse hands are ever betting the riv and its an ez fold.

BLieve said:

Da da da dammn...so even with 4 villains in the pot we are getting it in? Lets say the board was 68T rainbow instead of a pair of 8s. Does that change anything?

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geting c/r on a 68T rainbow board in a multiway pot is gonna be a set/straight alot but where as on this board there are 3combos of PP that hit(two TT and one 88), 8x is gonna show up some of the time A8,89s,87s but since there are allready 2 eights on the board that again makes it less likly holdings then stuff like 22-99,JJ/QQ,Tx,SS,J9,97 and where also geting bluff raised some non 0% of the time since this flop doesnt really hit our range from villains perspective.

So yeah lets say a TAG reg would c/r on this board im stacking off since there are so few combos of hands that beat us but a alot of hands we beat that could c/r+ his bluffs.
But on a 68Tr board people aint gonna bluff c/r alot and they usualy aint c/r for value with worse, like AT on that board since that just folds out worse/gets called by better.
Obvs. we can stack of on a 68T boards sometimes against specific villains but i cant think of a single villain that i actualy fold against on the 88T board.

This is completely villain dependent. Statements like we're never folding, or we're always getting it in vs a c/r simply don't make any sense if villain plays straight forward and will not c/r draws. Similarly they make perfect sense against aggressive or tricky opponents, or those that have a wider c/r range. We're obviously betting here, although I like a bet of $6-$7 dollars to compensate for the times we are cbetting this board with overs/ flush draws tens and other random hands (note if we are betting pot in these situations too then ok a ot is fine here too obviously... not gunna get into the pros and cons of bet sizing for the other situations)

Zybomb said:

This is completely villain dependent. Statements like we're never folding, or we're always getting it in vs a c/r simply don't make any sense if villain plays straight forward and will not c/r draws. Similarly they make perfect sense against aggressive or tricky opponents, or those that have a wider c/r range. We're obviously betting here, although I like a bet of $6-$7 dollars to compensate for the times we are cbetting this board with overs/ flush draws tens and other random hands (note if we are betting pot in these situations too then ok a ot is fine here too obviously... not gunna get into the pros and cons of bet sizing for the other situations)

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Yeah where gonna play this difrently against difrent villains if c/r obvs, some where gonna jam against, some where gonna just call and call down and maybe against some huge nits we can find a fold but when people dont include stuff like reads/stats/table dynamics in OP every one just asume villain is unknown and try to respond how the would play here against a unknown.
I dont know about u but im never folding if c/r on this board at 50nl against a unknown...

Related: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/betting-sometimes-think-less-168547/#post1383645

Yea villains sample sizes were too small so I didnt include them. Looking back, this is probably the best damn flop I could have asked for.