$50 NLHE Full Ring: Is there value to make the call preflop

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$50 NL HE Full Ring: Is there value to make the call preflop

Did I have value to make this call or was it the proper fold?

Absolute/UB Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com
Button ($61.78)
Hero (SB) ($44.25)
BB ($54.79)
UTG ($123.91)
UTG+1 ($54.10)
MP1 ($26.80)
MP2 ($50)
CO ($7.10)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 10
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UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, CO bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.75, BB raises to $8.50, 1 fold, CO calls $5.10 (All-In), 1 fold
Flop: ($16.70) 8
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, 6
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, 7
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(2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($16.70) 3
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(2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($16.70) 9
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(2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $16.70 | Rake: $1.30
 
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I was waiting to see some1 else answer this but i think folding is fine there. Your always behind his range, your OOP and you would put 1/5 of your stack with a sc (it's a sc against his range). Easy fold. I know the feeling when you folded and woulda hit a st8 flush. Just remember the fold preflop was correct
 
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Showing the flop action onwards is unnecessary.

While BB could be squeezing wide to isolate CO's ss, JTs isn't going to play well in a 4bet pot, worst table position, low spr, and you can't shove pf w it.
 
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You're playing on UB. Just use your superuser power to see everyone's cards and determine what todo from there
 
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Is this just a brag about making the call and straight flushing it?
 
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If you would have called, those cards wouldn't have come out....
 
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Here is a good time for an important tip:

Always be conscious of short stacks and keep in mind a good grasp on what their shoving frequencies may be. If they just lost a huge pot, it may be close to 100%.

You don't want to get involved with marginalish hands when the shortstack is on your left and likely to bloat the pot for you AND give the original raiser a chance to reraise. Similarly, this might be a spot where you would slowplay AA and hope the BB shoves over.
 
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If you call pre-flop are you going to call his raise/shove on the flop with your draw? Even though you didn't show the cards for BB, I assume he/she had a big pair that isn't going to check the flop. I think your fold is correct because pot odds aren't very good pre-flop considering you're going to face more action to get to river.
 
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Did I have value to make this call or was it the proper fold?

Absolute/Ultimatebet Cereus No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com
Button ($61.78)
Hero (SB) ($44.25)
BB ($54.79)
UTG ($123.91)
UTG+1 ($54.10)
MP1 ($26.80)
MP2 ($50)
CO ($7.10)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 10
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UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, CO bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.75, BB raises to $8.50, 1 fold, CO calls $5.10 (All-In),

Hero????

*This is how this question should look*
 
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Seriously? See comments above.
 
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Showing the flop action onwards is unnecessary.

While BB could be squeezing wide to isolate CO's ss, JTs isn't going to play well in a 4bet pot, worst table position, low spr, and you can't shove pf w it.

He's only asking the question because of what the flop was...

Or he's really wondering if it's profitable to call???
 
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oops, sorry, my bad - read too quickly, didn't realize you'd copied his hand and trimmed it...

I'm assuming it's a genuine question, we're getting better than 2.5:1 in direct odds and CO is out of the action for the rest of the hand (i.e. dead money if we hit the board hard) so I could see why someone would wonder (beyond hitting the board harder than anyone w less than deity status should ever expect), though I think everyone's absolutely correct that this is a snap fold for reasons stated.

If I'm wrong, we can always move it to BBV...
 
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oops, sorry, my bad - read too quickly, didn't realize you'd copied his hand and trimmed it...

I'm assuming it's a genuine question, we're getting better than 2.5:1 in direct odds and CO is out of the action for the rest of the hand (i.e. dead money if we hit the board hard) so I could see why someone would wonder (beyond hitting the board harder than anyone w less than deity status should ever expect), though I think everyone's absolutely correct that this is a snap fold for reasons stated.

If I'm wrong, we can always move it to BBV...

I would just think that more times than not the BB has a dominating hand.
 
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Don't call the original bet preflop. Playing draws (what our SC is likely to flop if anything) from OOP sucks and the CO's range is likely wide enough that he won't be stacking postflop when we do hit often enough to make our call profitable.
 
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Don't call the original bet preflop. Playing draws (what our SC is likely to flop if anything) from OOP sucks and the CO's range is likely wide enough that he won't be stacking postflop when we do hit often enough to make our call profitable.

This.

Save those 'drawing' hands for when you have position, plus make sure you look at the stack sizes in relation to your position. In this case, you have a SSscum raising, but then you have a big stack after you to act. The deeper player is going to want to isolate vs the SSer, so you can almost always assume there's going to be another raise after you.
 
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This.

Save those 'drawing' hands for when you have position, plus make sure you look at the stack sizes in relation to your position. In this case, you have a SSscum raising, but then you have a big stack after you to act. The deeper player is going to want to isolate vs the SSer, so you can almost always assume there's going to be another raise after you.

Yeah. If you think that you're ahead of the SS, go ahead and raise, but it's a risk with the BB behind you. But flatting the SS raise, unless you're the BB (closing the action) and prepared to call a shove from him on any flop, it's a losing proposition in the long run, imo.
 
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Above 3 posters are correct. "Hero calls $1.75" is the mistake in this hand.
 
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