$50 NLHE Full Ring: River Line + Line Checks with KJ

$50 NL HE Full Ring: River Line + Line Checks with KJ

Here villian is a 19/10/1.6 over 94 hands, but am I good to look him up here? What does his check call flop then donk half pot usually mean, Im thinking a draw or a strong hand but not sure?

Advice on how to play this hand please guys + river line.

poker stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (MP3): $103.45 (206.9 bb)
CO: $25 (50 bb)
BTN: $29.45 (58.9 bb)
SB: $50 (100 bb)
BB: $55.35 (110.7 bb)
UTG: $54.70 (109.4 bb)
UTG+1: $27.15 (54.3 bb)
MP1: $50.50 (101 bb)
MP2: $49.70 (99.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with J:club: K:heart:
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 4 folds, MP2 calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.75) K:club: 5:club: A:diamond: (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3

Turn: ($10.75) 4:diamond: (2 players)
MP2 bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

River: ($19.75) A:heart: (2 players)
MP2 bets $9, Hero ??

I call this but then again I'm a huge station.

I do think for the price he's giving he either has the nuts (doubtful) or a missed draw, and since the price is right I'd generally look him up.

Check back the flop, you really don't get called by that much that you beat and don't fold out anything better so check it back to induce bluffs on later streets. By checking it back you can also get value out of any mid pairs on later streets where as by betting flop you just fold them out.

As played there probably isn't much of a difference between calling and folding so in that case I usually call. But his line is just weird and not really a line that many players take with draws so I think in this case I find a fold on the river but I don't think its a big mistake to call.

Gah horrible spot, I fold this without reads. If the turn went check/check then I can see no problem with the call, the whole hand looks like he's valuetowning you.

Seen him bet a missed draw before ?

When I iso-raise preflop, i tend to make it a little bigger than this. pot sized at least, imo.

I can't think of any good reason to cbet this flop, tbh. Why do you do that?

As played, villain's stat don't look very aggressive. I tend to fold when non spewtards bet turn and river and i only have 2nd pair.

BelgoSuisse said:

I can't think of any good reason to cbet this flop, tbh. Why do you do that?

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that?

ChuckTs said:

that?

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I mean why do you cbet this flop? We're never folding anything that beats us and barely ever getting called by something worse.

no I'm agreeing with you, I don't see a reason to cbet either.

Yeah, c-betting here is pretty bad. As played, I most likely call turn fold river.

tbh Im Cbetting here to just take the pot down now with 2nd pair.

Why is this not a good line here if I want to take the pot down now, just curious of why its so bad?

I thought the objective of a cbet is to either build the pot with a good hand or to get villians to fold out weaker hands when we miss?

Im just confused as to why its so bad when he Limp Calls

Cause its like a WA/WB spot Jurn.

Surely we don't want to fold out weaker hands either ?

Jurn8 said:

tbh Im Cbetting here to just take the pot down now with 2nd pair.

Why is this not a good line here if I want to take the pot down now, just curious of why its so bad?

I thought the objective of a cbet is to either build the pot with a good hand or to get villians to fold out weaker hands when we miss?

Im just confused as to why its so bad when he Limp Calls

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Well, a cbet would be good with AK. It would be good with 72o. It's bad with your hand.

As a general rule, we want to bet the top of our range for value and the bottom of it as a bluff, and we want to check the middle of it. you hand is very obviously in the middle of your range.

More specifically, you're never folding a Ax hand or better with your cbet, so you're just spewing money to those. On the other hand, you are folding underpairs and worse kings, who would have extremely little equity against you and could decide to spew money in your direction once you show weakness by checking back.

I'm thinking if he limp/called his Axs or KQ/KJ pre then he's not going anywhere on the flop. The only ones you're ahead of that might pay you would be KT or something like that.

edit: posted same time as TB/Belgo


This is too narrow, but I'm expecting 55. It just looks like a small pair that limp/called, hit a set, let you c-bet, then is afraid that you won't fire at the turn/river. Or maybe A5s.

LOL, we pretty much all agree, I guess.

Jurn, this is important. It goes back to the essence of why we decide to bet at poker.

ah ok, yeah you all agree lol So I kinda got myself into a shitty spot by bad spewy play tbh.

I will have to work on Cbetting I think, thanks guys.