$50 NLHE Full Ring: Preflop ideas...

Right a few thoughts on this hand i played earlier, and after noticing a lot of regs are quite happy to bet the flop and turn at a high frequency.

Villain is a winning reg, plays a lot of hands 13/11 TAG opens 12% from MP.

Villain c-bets like 65-70%, cbets turn 80% and over like 5 samples has bet the river a 3 or 4 times also... So im pretty sure we can say he's an aggressive player for the most part, going to be barrelling lots.

So i have lots of options here... and the reason im posting this is because one thing which im sure is true is that, "If a hand is good enough to call with, then 3betting must be for value." This makes sense right, if its +EV to call then you wouldn't 3bet it as a bluff... well i 3bet KJo here for a bluff, not sure whether or not i could make more calling here.

My exact thoughts were that if i call, i will be folding lots of flops that miss and calling 3 streets most likely if i hit a piece of the board, i think floating is out of the equation as he's not the type of player who's gonna let us float him.

So is KJo good enough here to call with and close our eyes and call down when we hit a piece? I dont think KJo does very well against a 12% range and i had no suitedness so this added to my decision to not call.

Would we play this hand differently if it was suited? I sure would be more inclined to call if it were suited as villain is likely to give up to turn raises, so we could raise with some equity perhaps?

Folding could be fine, i dont think i would of minded that.

3betting, he folds about 2/3 of the time to 3bets, i had position.. didnt think anyone behind would try anything tricky or come along without a better hand.

So yeah, is this the type of hand i should be calling with instead of 3betting against players who are going to be barrelling a shit ton post flop? What hands would be better to do this with if KJo isn't good enough?



poker stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1660219
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UTG+1: $69.88
UTG+2: $17.58
MP1: $50.00
MP2: $20.00
Hero (CO): $56.86
BTN: $48.02
SB: $52.42
BB: $20.00
UTG: $55.74

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with J :heart: K :spade:
3 folds, MP1 raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.50, 4 folds

mmm maybe not the best spot for you to 3-bet him as his range from this spot will be quite strong, but I like it. For sure 3betting > calling, and I like it more than folding, too.

I realize this guy is barreling a lot so if he's betting TT for 3 streets on a Kxx board, that's one thing. But in general, KJo is not a hand that is ever really going to flop anything exciting. So while this may be a borderline profitable call, we can definitely make money 3-betting it here.

Okay thanks, so what hands would you be always calling here in hopes to let him spew when we hit? would you be doing this with hands that have good semi bluffing potential too? Like KQs, QJs, AQs, stuff like that?

Move down to 5NL. Profit $$$

Nah seriously I don't play FR and also how long you been playing 50NL?

Also I'd probably fold because he's tight and it'd be a guessing game post-flop as to whether you're ahead.
3-betting also seems bad i'd prefer to 3bet Axs hands and suited connectors against this type of player more often as he's got a tight continuing range, will often 4bet or fold and if we do hit there could be a lot of RIO involved on say a Kxx dry flop where he has called with KQs, AKo. We're not 3betting for value and it seems a weird hand to 3bet as a bluff.

Why do you want to 3-bet Ax instead of broadways?

I must be losing my mind because I think folding>calling>>>>>>>>>>>>3betting

baudib1 said:

Why do you want to 3-bet Ax instead of broadways?

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Well I don't think i'd 3bet broadways much (if at all) against this guy. But if the question was why Axs (x < 6) over small PP's to include in our 3bet bluff range i'd trot out the same arguements i have in other threads;

• Have good barrel potential. We can barrel turns with much more equity if we pick up straight, flush or two pair outs on the flop. Can generally play more aggressively which is always a good thing in 3bet pots.
• Card removal of the ace but this doesn't matter too much as I don't think we can stack Axx flops anyway, but it halves his AA combo's we have to fold to if he 4bets.

I dunno really I like the idea of 4betting polarised instead of merged but is 3bet folding with Ax really bad if his 4bet range can include JJ+, AKs+ (genuine question, my pokerstove isn't working).

Comments welcome on my line of thought but I agree with BG for the most part.

-- KJ has blockers to KK/AK as well so card removal is the same.
-- Don't know what his continuing range is but at a guess he's going to make mistakes by flatting hands like TT-JJ, AQ, 4-betting better hands and folding everything worse. We're doing a lot better with KJ that is going to make more top pair hands than A7s and can barrel broadway boards.

whats his f3bet? who is behind us?
if he has a high f3bet then just 3bet, his continuing range will be tight obvs especially as youre CO not BTN, if it was BTN he may think its lighter.
if there's a fish or nits behind us then I flat for value vs the fish, he will play straightforward in multiways I assume. If theres nits then I flat to play a HU pot IP vs somebody who cbets alot and who fires turns alot, check how he reacts to aggression though as we can raise alot of flops. He probs has a high cbet, turn cbet, river bet though because he is so tight and will have a strong postflop range, or maybe just running goot. This I would do after more hands though, Im guilty of doing this atm after moving back and then realising they are ****ing 9/6's on heaters over 100 hands.
Based on probs not having many hands on him I just 3bet, try and get a feel how he reacts to aggression, unless theres a fish in blinds but then KJ isnt going to play amazingly multiway.

Yeah, i have like 1.5-2k hands on him i thnik and he folds to 67% 3bets, so yeah i think the 3betting is probably fine the more i think about it. Especially considering we'll just be guessing when we bink a Jxx or Kxx flop, as this guy would happily bet 3 streets all in with KQ and we'd be crushed.

People behind were just nits too or regulars that arent gonna be getting in the way of a 3bet here. He folds 3/4 turn check/raises so i might have to try a line that uses that against him in the future, probably will do that in a co v btn spot though where his range is even wider, and when i make a flush draw or something so incase it goes tits up i can justify me spewing a bit better!

acky100 said:

Yeah, i have like 1.5-2k hands on him i thnik and he folds to 67% 3bets, so yeah i think the 3betting is probably fine the more i think about it. Especially considering we'll just be guessing when we bink a Jxx or Kxx flop, as this guy would happily bet 3 streets all in with KQ and we'd be crushed.

People behind were just nits too or regulars that arent gonna be getting in the way of a 3bet here. He folds 3/4 turn check/raises so i might have to try a line that uses that against him in the future, probably will do that in a co v btn spot though where his range is even wider, and when i make a flush draw or something so incase it goes tits up i can justify me spewing a bit better!

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Is he a 25 reg then or does he mix? Either way if he is I snap 3bet him, he maybe shot taking or playing abit tighter and react to aggression more passively than he would at 25, assumption though.
Are the regs squeezers behind us is what we need to know, double float with backdoors is probs a decent line vs him then. something like JT on 8K3 or something where we can raise any 9 and Q which he also may barrell or backdoor NFD, he will never expect you to be bluffing. If we do this and he folds to flop raise or turn raise I would note it and flat the KJ in future.

Fold > 3bet > Call

Villain is a little tight to be messing around here. When I'm facing a range as small 12% I need a great F3b range before I start bluffing.

Given a slightly wider range KJ is exactly the sort of hands I like to 3bet with. KK/AK/JJ/KQ blockers are better than 67s hands were we get no blockers, lose the high stack to pot ratio these hands thrive off and get to play 3bet pots with third pair.