$50 NLHE Full Ring: Playing top set.

Shady Vision

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 18/8/3

b]party poker[/b] - $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
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SB: $49.50
BB: $58.88
UTG: $50.00
MP Hero: $73.05
MP+1: $65.45
MP+2: $51.01
LP: $10.94
CO: $50.24
BTN: $70.22

Pre-flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP and dealt :qs4: :kh4:
Hero raises $1.75, 2 folds, LP calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 2 folds, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7.25) :qd4: :4s4: :5c4: (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.45, LP raises $9.19 (All-in), CO calls $9.19, BB folds, Hero calls $3.74

Turn: ($34.82) :qd4: :4s4: :5c4: :qc4: (4 players)
Hero ???
 
WVHillbilly

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First you don't have a set, you have trips. Sets are made when you have a pp and the board gives you the third. Sets are MUCH stronger than trips because no one else can have the same set as you. Now to the hand.

I assume the stats given are for CO? If so you're not going to be good here a whole lot. I would think his range would be something like QTs, QJ, KQ, AQ, 44, 55. Against that range you have about 40% equity (and 11% of that is tie equity). He could have a hand like JJ/TT occasionally but those hands are not putting any more money in on the turn AND they're unlikely to draw out so they're pretty irrelevant.

With that in mind we basically can't fold because of the money in the pot. I think I would check/call turn and check river if he bets the turn. If he checks back on the turn, I bet the river. If he bets both turn AND river I cry and call because I am a station and I hope he has the QTs/QJ part of his range.
 
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I agree with WV

Preflop I think we can rule out AA KK JJ AKo etc because those type of hands tend to get 3bet here rather than see a flop MW

On the flop the COs cold call is very very strong.

Id expect his range to be a few decent queens and sets. (maybe JJ or TT but thise fold to any sizable turn bet) I Think AQs is well within his preflop calling range as it plays well in MW pots.

Also you and the CO are both about 150bb deep. I cant see him putting more money in with a hand you beat. If this gets played for stacks Id assume he has a set.

His preflop stats dont indicate that he is particually aggressive. They also indicate he is tight.

I think AQ is around the lowest hand he cold calls the flop with
 
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I agree with WV

Preflop I think we can rule out AA KK JJ AKo etc because those type of hands tend to get 3bet here rather than see a flop MW

On the flop the COs cold call is very very strong.

Id expect his range to be a few decent queens and sets. (maybe JJ or TT but thise fold to any sizable turn bet) I Think AQs is well within his preflop calling range as it plays well in MW pots.

Also you and the CO are both about 150bb deep. I cant see him putting more money in with a hand you beat. If this gets played for stacks Id assume he has a set.

His preflop stats dont indicate that he is particually aggressive. They also indicate he is tight.

I think AQ is around the lowest hand he cold calls the flop with

I def. think there are weaker Queens than AQ in his range for flatting since there was another caller before it got to him pre. Certainly at least suited QT/QJ/KQ and very likely unsuited connectors as well. I mean his vpip is 18 it's not like he's super tight, he calls quite a bit preflop actually.
 
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I def. think there are weaker Queens than AQ in his range for flatting since there was another caller before it got to him pre. Certainly at least suited QT/QJ/KQ and very likely unsuited connectors as well. I mean his vpip is 18 it's not like he's super tight, he calls quite a bit preflop actually.

In a HU pot, yes I def think he calls with all of his weak Queens.

But I think his range tightens a lot more in a MW pot facing a raise and a reraise.
 
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In a HU pot, yes I def think he calls with all of his weak Queens.

But I think his range tightens a lot more in a MW pot facing a raise and a reraise.

I don't think he folds any Q he called with preflop since he knows (or should know) that we can't 3bet because shorties raise didn't reopen the betting.
 
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I don't like our hand.

I'd probably fold the flop if it wasn't for the fact that the cold caller knows that we can't reraise here, which may lead him to call a little lighter... but like how much QJ? QT? It's .25/.50 NL so maybe but i dunno. I think calling is very marginal (we'd obv snap the original all in without a cold caller behind)

Assuming we do call flop I'd check the turn. I guess we can't c/f at these stakes since if we're giving villains credit for not folding QT/QJ here on the flop we have to assume they'd value bet the turn with these hands, so I guess it's a c/c... but he has 39 left and the pot is 35 so like how much is he gunna bet?

I dunno I think the turn is a very misleading card. Unless villain has exactly 54 (or AA KK lol) its a card that appears to improve our hand but doesn't really change anything. I think we're chopping or beat a lot if villain bets the turn.
 
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How many hands is it over? VP 18, showing virtually no aggression (which is leading towards a slow-play), I would put him on QK, KK, AQ, AA. A check is good here on the turn.
 
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