$50 NLHE Full Ring: Overpair with OESD and back door flush draw vs all-in reraise on flop.

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$50 NL HE Full Ring: Overpair with OESD and back door flush draw vs all-in reraise on flop.

So I've been playing a live 50NL house game out here. And it's very soft. Half a year ago I'd go and crush and cash out up $90 on an average night, lately the average has swung to up $250. The competition is very weak with one exception, villain in this hand.

Hero is the BTN, stack around $200. Villain is the SB, stack around $300. Villain and hero have a history.

He is generally LAG, and I am generally tighter, but just as aggressive, and sometimes my hand selection gets on the loose end of things. A standard preflop raise on this table is ~8-10 BBs, and you don't have people folding hands they'd play for 1 BB until it gets around to 20 BBs. Obviously very profitable.

Dealt to hero: 8c8h

Preflop:
Everybody limps, hero raises to $5. Everybody calls.

Flop (pot: $40) - 5c6h7c
Villain bets $8, two calls, hero raises to $38 (my intention was pot isolation, I have a lot of equity, and these guys will fold a weak draw to big bets). Villain (SB) raises all-in, folded around. Villain has a history of telling the truth when he talks about his hand, and mentions to another player contemplating a call that he wouldn't mind one call. It's folded around to us, and my brain starts working.
Hero: ?

My read on villain is he has flopped two pair or a pair and a draw. While he would have raised me with a made straight, I don't think he'd bet out on the made straight UTG.
 
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I don't know how good this player is but it appears he is trying to induce a raise with the weak $8 donk bet. Your raise is less than half the pot. If you wanted pot isolation, you should've made it about $70, and you'd have an easy call. Now you're getting 1.75 to 1 odds, to draw to a hand if an 8 is good you have 10 outs, so about 60/40, but you could be as dead to 3 outs for a chop. You know the player better than us, so you should know what he does with big hands in this situation.

Since the game is very profitable as you say, you can probably make this call for information on the other "good" player in the group. It could turn out that your ahead in the hand anyways. You can easily make the money back assuming you will reload if you lose the hand, but you'll have the information for next time he tries to pull this stunt.

With that said, I still don't know what I would do. Only thing I could tell you is if you were live to 10 outs (2 8's, 4 4's, 4 9's), you had the proper odds, but that's the best it's going to get for your hand if it's trailing.
 
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I'm not a fan of the $5 raise preflop. I guess some people would call it a "pot sweetener". Especially with a hand like 88 it's fine to just limp behind here with decent odds and the btn. Otherwise raise it up enough to isolate preflop (if possible at this table) and take it down with a cbet on the flop or turn.

This is never a pure bluff. I'm folding to the 3bet.

What range do you have him on when he 3bets you in this spot?
 
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What range do you have him on when he 3bets you in this spot?

This would be an unlikely play for a made nut hand from him, however he sometimes does the same thing with the nuts as he does weaker hands with a lot of equity.

My gut was saying two pair based on the preflop action, things he said and did on the street, with the possibility of pair with a draw type hands.

I think the number of times I stack off against 89o, I'm going to be making money in the long run based on the times I stack off against 87, 86, 85, and pair and a flush draw type hands, not to mention he could be holding 74, 54, 64 as well, but I don't see him stacking off here without even a draw to a chop.

Also given the board texture, I wouldn't be surprised if he played a flopped set that way, however I'd suspect his original flop bet would be much bigger, since the table is ripe with calling stations.

As far as my raise for isolation, like I said, the table is weak, and very rarely act based on pot-odds. They are much more likely to call because they 'feel like it' or 'think that it's coming', without bothering to learn the math behind the game (Thanks, guys!). Villain and myself know the math of the game, and have gotten into hypothetical discussions about certain hands and equity where the rest of the table would be left scratching their head saying things like "What's an equity?"

Plus, it's a half value bet. :)
 
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