$50 NLHE Full Ring: KT Turns Two-Pair Debacle!?

$50 NL HE Full Ring: KT Turns Two-Pair Debacle!?

poker stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 553000
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $23.50
Hero (BB): $57.40
UTG: $27.95
UTG+1: $50.00
UTG+2: $50.00
MP1: $45.85
MP2: $43.00
CO: $99.45
BTN: $53.75

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with T :heart: K :heart:
6 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) K :spade: 3 :spade: 5 :diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, BTN calls $3, SB calls $3

Turn: ($13.50) T :club: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, BTN calls $10, SB calls $10

River: ($43.50) 6 :diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $39.25 all in, SB folds, Hero???

I don't know if this is that great of a hand for discussion but... I'm a glutton for punishment so, what the hay?

Button was a pretty solid 17/10 and SB was a fishy 30/10ish over 50-100 hands.

I think I played the whole hand poorly... could this be a perfect example of how NOT to play NLHE?

call ur two pair is good. Id bet he has has an over pair or A-k. He was only calling to get out cheap if a flush comes. My first thought was a set but he raised pre-flop. I guess he could have trip kings his line would make sense but i think its just a big bet on the river to push u off what you have.



I could be wrong im curious to see the results.

My thought process, if I even had one, for the hand was wishy-washy at best but...

I checked the river specifically to give Button a bluff opportunity IF he was flushing... then I got what I was looking for and thought, "Uh-oh."

I'll see if anyone else finds it interesting and then SPOIL.

Crap.

I just remembered, Button had a super low cbet%, like under 10%... On the flop, I donked because I was afraid button would check behind and give a free card to the fishy small blind who could have ATC (based on what he was showing down).

How wide does button steal?

Id call this. Like TeeBone says he could have AK and didnt want to see a flush complete since the loose SB was in play.
I think his river shove is pretty weak but since u checked u've gave the image that u've missed ur FD and ur giving up.

The key point to me in situations like this is not the actual result in this particular case (though I know that is hard to ignore). What is best is to assess the villains likely range and then think what he would likely do with that range.

Given the pot odds offered if you can say there is more than a 33% chance that you have him beat then the call is profitable regardless of what happened in this run of the cards. Against most opponents this would seem to be a long run profitable call and even if you lost this time, it is still worth making the call in the future unless you have specific evidence from stats that the villain will only be shoving with a set.

3bet/fold pre-flop. The only way you should be flat calling KT blind vs button is if the button has a really wide steal range (more than 30%). In other words I think just calling blind vs button is only any good if you dominate his range.

Flop bet I like, even just because it's 3 handed he's not going to be cbetting as much, I don't mind doing the betting here. Ideally button will fold and SB we probably want to call but will usually fold. When button calls your K isn't the best hand to have, mostly either dominated or against a draw and SB is usually drawing here.

Turn is a great card, bet 3/4 pot or more because of the flop action. You're going to get a lot of folds but I think you're going to get enough calls to make it +EV. We're just hoping to value town K's and charge draws.

River is a standard shove, imo. I just think BTN checks back K9/KJ/KQ, more often than he bluffs. There just aren't that many hands that he can have that aren't A high or a pair, both of which check back for showdown some of the time.

If you don't want to stack off with top two here, why are you calling preflop? A lot depends on how he plays his flush draws...would he raise or flat IP with a big draw and would he shove if he missed? I really think you're good here as he has 1 pair or perhaps 65 of spades here a lot.

I can't see a solid 17/10 shoving river, in position with TPTK, that line wouldn't make any sense, especially with the SB still in the hand. I can see him raising pre-flop, from the button with a low pp, he could easily have a set here or maybe air....but that seems a little risky with 2 people still in the hand.

I can't see a solid player slowplaying worse 3-way with this board. I was thinking for a minute that we could safely bet-fold but we could never fold getting such a great price with these stacks.

Mamushi said:

How wide does button steal?

Click to expand...

I really don't remember, but not too wide... 20-30% maybe?

what was the results Double-A???

thepokerkid123 said:

\
River is a standard shove, imo. I just think BTN checks back K9/KJ/KQ, more often than he bluffs. There just aren't that many hands that he can have that aren't A high or a pair, both of which check back for showdown some of the time.

Click to expand...

Totally understand and agree w/ all of your pre/flop/turn comments. Thanks. Not sure I get shoving the riv though...

I just don't know what calls that we beat?

Can we 1/2 pot?

ukaliks said:

what was the results Double-A???

Click to expand...

I *cough* call and villain shows...

33

baudib1 said:

If you don't want to stack off with top two here, why are you calling preflop?

Click to expand...

I think that's a good question. One I didn't have an answer for at the time...

Yea, that really is what happens when you flat a raise like that in bb with a hand like k10. Sucks but you really have no info on ur opponent.

Double-A said:

I *cough* call and villain shows...

33

Click to expand...

Damn, I'm good.

Kasanova King said:

Damn, I'm good.

Click to expand...

Sure, but where were you when I was calling off my stack?

Its unfortunate villain showed up with a set but this was a worst case scenario and I think youre calling here evertime.

The reason shoving river is the best play here imo is because if villain has Kx, a lot of times he'll use it as a bluff catcher in case you're shoving a busted flush draw. Shoving instead of 1/2 potting looks more bluffy and will get called by a slightly wider range.

I'd also make a note that villain plays sets really passively...

this is really a fold or squeeze preflop, the rest of the hand, whatevs...i mean the river is probably 100% a bet but if we check to induce a bluff we are snapping this river no matter what.

baudib1 said:

the rest of the hand, whatevs...i mean the river is probably 100% a bet but if we check to induce a bluff we are snapping this river no matter what.

Click to expand...

Sure. Maybe.

My intention on the river was to induce a bluff and a call (the fish in the SB along for the ride). So, I could RAISE.

When he shoved, an alarm went off. A pretty passive player, quietly calling down, and then shoving into two opponents... and suddenly I'm facing a decision about CALLING an all in. He's shoving at a fish (maybe 2 fish) and another player that has shown aggression on multiple streets. He wants a call... why?

I thought it was because he had us both beat, badly.

3-bet or fold pre-flop. Problem solved.