$50 NLHE Full Ring: KK in multiway pot

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BB - 28/4/0.8 ~100 hands
CO - 22/17/2.4 ~100 hands

Basically a bit of a line check, CO has 1/4 fold to cbet and 1/2 fold to turn cbet so he doesn't like to give up easily. I thought bet/folding this river would be best to get value from any TJ-TA, JJ, QQ type hands.


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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($19.30)
BB ($50)
UTG ($31.45)
Hero ($51.40)
UTG+2 ($54.35)
MP1 ($47.55)
MP2 ($53.20)
CO ($103)
BTN ($50)

Dealt to Hero K K

fold, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, MP1 calls $1.50, fold, CO calls $1.50, fold, SB calls $1.25, fold

FLOP ($6.50) 6 4 T

SB checks, Hero bets $4, MP1 folds, CO calls $4, SB calls $4

TURN ($18.50) 6 4 T 9

SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

RIVER ($18.50) 6 4 T 9 9

SB checks, Hero bets $12
 
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Why did you not bet the turn? No criticism just wondering. If you bet the turn you can make a larger value bet on the river. I don't like b/f as you should be ahead here 100% of the time, unless someone has 9-10
 
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The check on the turn was for pot control. I don't see much that CO will call three streets with other than maybe JJ, QQ. By checking and betting the river we still get value from any JT-AT type hands as well.

As far as b/f river, what hands do you think he would raise the river with that we beat?
 
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I think he would raise river with AT, JJ,QQ, which are hands that would definitely call 3 streets with on this board. All you are worried about is 9x or a set really, both are unlikely the way the hand played out, so I would be betting every street for value from Tx and draws
 
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Yeah, I didn't understand not betting the turn. No matter what I'll usually bet the turn anyway unless I know I'm way ahead and unlikely behind.

I don't think I could bet fold the river either, unless you had some read and He's likely to call with A,10+ whats his stats anyway? I couldn't or wouldn't put them on queens anyway, surely that's a re-raise especially on the flop to get rid of the SB if he's holding Jacks/Queens.

I shouldn't really comment as these limits are way above what I play but I'm interested in knowing the outcome.
 
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I think he would raise river with AT, JJ,QQ, which are hands that would definitely call 3 streets with on this board. All you are worried about is 9x or a set really, both are unlikely the way the hand played out, so I would be betting every street for value from Tx and draws

Am I wrong in thinking that co would be re raising the flop though if he had any of those hands? A standard looking C-BET from pre-flop aggresor, I always like to bet out if I have an over pair or hit top pair on the flop just to see where I'm at. At the very least to get rid of the SB..I think I certainly would - maybe that's why I suck but I can quite easily bet/fold the flop if needs be if I'm the CO.
 
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bet turn, i dont see why you would want to give a free card to 2 players.
 
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Am I wrong in thinking that co would be re raising the flop though if he had any of those hands? A standard looking C-BET from pre-flop aggresor, I always like to bet out if I have an over pair or hit top pair on the flop just to see where I'm at. At the very least to get rid of the SB..I think I certainly would - maybe that's why I suck but I can quite easily bet/fold the flop if needs be if I'm the CO.
It's a very dry flop and JJ/QQ could be playing it very similarly to us thinking they are letting us hang ourselves
 
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Yeah just like others have said, I'm betting this turn here like always. I don't like taking pot control lines OOP with a hand that has our opponent's range crushed. By checking the turn and then betting river, we now only get value out of the top of villian's range rather than making him pay on earlier streets with weaker hands. Bet turn.
 
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