$50 NLHE Full Ring: KK facing 3-way action on flop

SB is 20/13 after only about 100 hands, his check/raise flop stat is 1/2 from what i have seen. No significant stats on the mid pos half-stack.



full tilt poker $50.00 RUSH No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1230273
Hand History Converter

SB: $50.00
BB: $120.25
Hero (UTG): $50.00
UTG+1: $72.90
UTG+2: $29.90
MP1: $160.20
MP2: $84.95
CO: $29.50
BTN: $44.15

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $1.50, 4 folds, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.00) 9 T 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.25, <--- is that too small?with a board like that i think i should bet larger, right?
UTG+2 calls $3.25, SB raises to $14.50,
Hero ???

no one? blah, come on, people! it is two simple questions, not asking much there....

I think you're good to shove here. I come up with this



Board: Td 9h 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.726% 51.73% 00.99% 25096 481.50 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 47.274% 46.28% 00.99% 22451 481.50 { 99+, 44, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh, KhJh, QJs, JhTh, T9s, ATo }

Ok I am not entirely sure what ^^ is, but it sure looks impressive.

Based on the action I think we can be justified in labelling the UTG+2 as a fish with some sort of weak holding. The SB seems to know what it is doing but might just be a little too trigger happy (50% c/r seems quite high to me?).

The flop bet is far too low. We have a strong but vulnerable hand which we need to protect on the drawy board. Given the players I think we can expect that the SB will either raise or fold and the fish will either flat or fold (if fish raises we insta fold). A big continuation bet makes the SB raise (has to be much larger) or the fish call (value) much more attractive.

The squeeze scenario is more interesting here, because the fish has really signalled the strength of hand and is likely to fold if you shove but call if you flat. Given the strong vulnerable hand that you hold, I think you can only shove or fold and can not continue 3way.

My inclination is to lean towards a shove quite simply because the SB seems to be out of line with the raising, and could be making the move with such a wide range. It could look something like 99 TT 44 T9 and and combos of OESD, FD + overcards, Gutshot + overcards, random junk which I think ^^ says we are ahead of.

baudib1 said:

I think you're good to shove here. I come up with this



Board: Td 9h 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.726% 51.73% 00.99% 25096 481.50 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 47.274% 46.28% 00.99% 22451 481.50 { 99+, 44, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh, KhJh, QJs, JhTh, T9s, ATo }

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Agreed with this, don't need to say any more really

MBC said:

Ok I am not entirely sure what ^^ is, but it sure looks impressive.

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it is a PokerStove output, if you are not familiar with that tool, you should look it up, very useful.

MBC said:

Based on the action I think we can be justified in labelling the UTG+2 as a fish with some sort of weak holding. The SB seems to know what it is doing but might just be a little too trigger happy (50% c/r seems quite high to me?).

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50% over such a small sample is not exactly scientific (which is why i said 1/2 instead of 50%). now, 2/3 with this hand seems more like it though.

baudib1 said:

I think you're good to shove here. I come up with this
Board: Td 9h 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.726% 51.73% 00.99% 25096 481.50 { KcKs }
Hand 1: 47.274% 46.28% 00.99% 22451 481.50 { 99+, 44, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh, KhJh, QJs, JhTh, T9s, ATo }

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I think we can safely remove AA and KK from that range, but probably a few of the weaker holdings as well, so that percentage and the dead money in the pot seem to justify the shove.

as played, i shoved and BOTH villains called. then i managed to avoid a total of 17 outs twice, phew. UTG+2 had QJs and SB had AhTh. apparently, i had the right equity both in the main pot (35%) and the side pot (48%), but this seemed like a best-case scenario.

I would fold.

Its rush.

THe SB CR is basically repping sets or FDs

If we give him a range of sets and all Axs and all SC,SGandS1G (of hearts) we have 40% wquity.

If we give him a range of sets and all Axs we have 32% equity.

In reality we should be somewhere between the two (lets assume 36%)

Which means we need some folds to break even (not many, but a few)

Problem is that against his range we have zero folds.. he has to be bluffing with some frequency for our shove to work.

This is rush. People call raises to flush mine or to set mine and dont really try and outplay anyone postflop.

This is both a FD and set board. If he has a set he wont fold and he wont fold FD's either.

The only way you go ahead is if he has a hand like JJ/QQ (but he would have 3bet that preflop at least some of the time).

If he has the range I expect him to have (FDs and sets) you are slightly behind and should therefore fold.

Has to be the set or AQ or JQ hearts. Raising UTG with two callers, especially with one being the SB, playing you oop, is a perfect set mine spot, due to the fact of anyone that raises from UTG in RUSH has a monster a lot of the time and the implied odds of getting paid increase, especially in this specific situation. He has it and its an easy fold. I can almost make this decision with any typical Rush player. You can also ALMOST put him on the monster draw, because sets generally will try to get more money in the pot on 4th and slow play the flop and you can tell he just wants the money in immediately.

I don't think you have it here. SB seems like a good player and him check raising in 2 players tells me he has a monster draw or a set.