$50 NLHE Full Ring: KK on the button, already raised and 3 bet ...

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$50 NL HE Full Ring: KK on the button, already raised and 3 bet ...

2nd hand at the table, so no reads.


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poker stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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UTG+1: 340.7 bb
MP1: 62.8 bb
MP2: 100 bb
MP3: 100 bb
CO: 65.8 bb
Hero (BTN): 102.7 bb
SB: 30.6 bb
BB: 100 bb

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K
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UTG+1 raises to 3 bb, MP1 calls 3 bb, MP2 folds, MP3 folds,
CO raises to 8 bb,
Hero
Flats? Raises? Shoves? Folds?
 
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Don't try to be fancy. Just raise your premiums and be happy with the results, whichever they turn out to be. It's the best line by far in the long term.

Raise to 20bb, call a shove. Don't second guess yourself if he shows up with AA, just a cooler. Don't second guess yourself if he folds. Just note he folds to 4bets and try to figure out if it's exploitable.
 
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I think with 8$ or so in the pot, a shove of about 100$ is too much, I would 4bet here around 25$ and hope he shoves.
However if Mp1 shoves after you 4bet and CO calls , then you can think about folding since here 1 of them might have aces.
 
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Don't try to be fancy. Just raise your premiums and be happy with the results, whichever they turn out to be. It's the best line by far in the long term.

Raise to 20bb, call a shove. Don't second guess yourself if he shows up with AA, just a cooler. Don't second guess yourself if he folds. Just note he folds to 4bets and try to figure out if it's exploitable.

Yeah, the only thing that gave me hesitation is 1) first raise is UTG, and 2) it's already been 3 bet. But with no reads at all other than 1/2 stacks as indicators of bad players, it's too fancy to do much else.
 
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someone in early position raised and gets 3 bet... MP should know that the dude in EP has a something like JJ+ or AQ+

Maybe hard.. but fold
 
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someone in early position raised and gets 3 bet... MP should know that the dude in EP has a something like JJ+ or AQ+

Maybe hard.. but fold

But if MP has JJ or AQ, then he should 3 bet to see if EP is going to fold his AQ/JJ. I think $50nl is aggressive enough that players are capable of doing so. Or, he could have better.
 
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Hero reraises of course, to 20bb or so. This is one of those spots where even a min RR might be in order, anything to keep the betting round alive. Give your opponent a chance to shove on you, and yes I'm calling any preflop shove. It could be AA, but AK, AQ, KQ even JJ-KK are all possible as well. If either one of them flats you know they don't have AA or KK.

If they both call I'd be very worried about any high cards on the flop and might be tempted to check it even at the risk of giving a free card. Any set is automatically going to check to the raiser in the hopes of trapping you. If an ace falls on the flop I'd just let it go and perhaps call a small bet on the river hoping to catch SO who thinks their QQ is good.
 
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someone in early position raised and gets 3 bet... MP should know that the dude in EP has a something like JJ+ or AQ+

Maybe hard.. but fold

Or the guy in early position could be a donk and the MP has an A10 and figures he's ahead... Seems like a lot to assume that if there is a 3bet ahead of you that you insta fold KK, especially since there is only 1 hand here that dominates you. Folding KK here is super tight. Maybe your discipline is greater than mine but re-raise and call a shove sounds good too me.
 
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4-bet to $15 and get it in no reason to be fancy early at a table. i hate raising to just 20 bb here you miss alot of value from smaller pairs when a high board hits.
 
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Hero Flats? Raises? Shoves? Folds?


Never call, raising is useless because he will rerais all in anyway so Fold or shoce.. I would shove here
 
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u have to shove here as the open raise could be just about any two cards and the reraise could be anywhere from 88-QQ or AQ, AK and u have every hand but AA crushed so u have to put ur stack in assuming ur a huge favourite and if u run into aces its just bad luck.
 
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