Originally Posted by Herbish1
I don't know about any ace, Shoving is close to double the pot, I think he only calls with AT or better on a shove, I would bet about $16 with the intent of calling a raise.
You really think A8 or A7 lay this down on the river very often? After flatting two streets? Villain has under-represented his hand on the turn by just flatting if he does have an ace and I think would find it very hard to simply fold the river.
I like a shove just because I don't think there is many hands that don't call a shove but do call, say, a $16 bet. KK would 3-bet pre as would QQ probably, does TT or 88 call? Unlikely to have a 9, can't see what J barring JJ/AJ given the action. Shoving forces the villain to try to find a laydown and the flush missed so there is something to convince villain you are bluffing
As a last point, villain has a big stack. Would this make him more looser with calls or tighter generally? I don't know, just interested lol.