$50 NLHE Full Ring: Disgusting river spot

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pokerstars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

Hero (Button) ($50)
SB ($68.52)
BB ($50.86)
UTG ($23.90)
UTG+1 ($50.25)
MP1 ($76.07)
MP2 ($234.85)
MP3 ($72.79)
CO ($50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A
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, Q
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6 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) 3
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, 3
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, 10
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.75) A
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(2 players)
BB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($7.75) K
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.22, BB raises to $12.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $12.19 | Rake: $0.55

I have no info on this guy.

My river bet is going for thin value from any weaker Ace, Kings and some Tens. Granted, weak sauce sizing can induce him to bluff here but he pots it and usually that is not a bluff + I can easily have a flush here.

Opinions?
 
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Why not cbet the flop? Well, I don't like your bet on the river
 
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Should be cbetting this board don't understand the check back, with no info we have to find a fold.
 
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With no info on the villain,maybe you shouldn't raise the river-safe play.
 
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I don't cbet because no pairs will fold and many players like to chkraise this kind of board since I rep basically nothing. Then it becomes a guessing game (is he bluffing or not?) and there is no need.

Checking behind doesn't give away much info (I like doing it here with made hands too) and I can always credibly raise his turn bet, which then looks exactly like a trap. Alternatively, if I actually hit turn then I can let him bluff away.

The problem here is that he is doing exactly the same thing only 1 street later and he can credibly have a lot of hands that beat my pair (flushes, 3x , QJ, TT).
 
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Seems like an easy fold to me.

I cb flop, sure we're going to get tons of floats but we don't mind that. We just need to bet like half pot and it's fine, there are worse Ax hands hands that float and some random hands too like over card hands which might decide to peel with a back door flush draw straight draw and there overs. Small/middle pocket pairs might float which of course when we have position we have any A or Q as outs and some good bluff cards which he's going to have to fold when we bet.

As played though I think the river is an easy fold. I doubt he's bluffing ever here and obviously all his value range have us crushed. The only time I might see this as a bluff is like you say because you might of induced this by your small bet. The problem with these bet sizes is that you should be doing it for a reason to either get some value from hands which can't call a bigger bet and intend on calling if raised just based on your sizing you should be prepared for calling. If your not comfortable calling potential bluff raises then you shouldn't be betting this small to stop people doing it if they are.
 
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Yes but problem with cbetting is that I have nothing and he probably knows it, meaning I can't make any pair fold that easily. I had a lot of situations when I fired 2-3 barrels only to find out opponent had me crushed all along (any pair has 75% equity on the flop) and I was value betting myself. Check behind + raise turn is a much stronger line, no?

I would call a smaller raise but people don't normally bluff with pots bets like this. Sizing may be bigger but then probably no T/pocket pairs call... hard to say vs. an unknown. Who knows, maybe he is a total blufftard and maybe he is a nit :confused: just that I see many more nits than blufftards (life expectancy and all that).
 
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I dont mind your not 3betting here with just overs. You cant do it all the time and its highly unlikely you hit that flop. Even knowing nothing about the villain here there is simply too much that beats you including the flush a straight, 2 pair.
Dont go broke with one pair. Dont go broke with one pair. I keep having to repeat to myself.....
 
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standard fold against an unknown -It's usually runners or a 3 that spiked the flop.
 
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And figaroo I basically disagree with you entirely hero pretty much has the nut two pair (AA33K) so thats not even a mild concern, based on villains line our major concern is running spade outs or just flopped trips IMO
 
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the board is paired so it's pretty hard for the hero in this spot to have one pair, and it would be even harder to get beat by "even 2 pair"


......look at the hands before you comment folks
 
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