$50 NLHE Full Ring: AK deep donk raise minreraise

Richyl2008

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$50 NL HE Full Ring: AK deep donk raise minreraise

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 26/2/2

65 hands
donk bet 2/7 times
fold to cbet 3/3
0% 3bet

I thought this was a pretty standard value raise on this flop, against this guy until he raised me and seeing as we're about 150bb deep makes me wonder if I should have been calling here to control pot size and keep in some of his weaker hands.

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HAND #1
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party poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
CO: $153.40 (306.8 bb)
BTN: $55.35 (110.7 bb)
SB: $26.95 (53.9 bb)
BB: $72.65 (145.3 bb)
UTG+2: $62.40 (124.8 bb)
MP1: $53 (106 bb)
MP2: $74.15 (148.3 bb)
Hero (MP3): $70.75 (141.5 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with K:spade: A:club:
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, BB calls $1
Flop: ($3.25) A:diamond: Q:spade: 3:diamond: (2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero raises to $7, BB raises to $12, Hero ?
 
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damn it my browser got refreshed and i lost what i was writing

to sum it up, I think AK is good here. He would have reraised preflop if he had AQ. Small chance he had A3 suited in which you he has 2 pair, but you have a decent amount of outs. Also have to think what he puts you on. If he has A10 and puts you on a weak ace or a PP that didnt hit the set, he will reraise you. My opinion is that he had a hand like QJ diamonds and was building the pot, knowing he will win with a Q/J/flush/ running straight. I call/raise here and see what the turn brings. What did you do?
 
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In my opinion AK is good here, since he is a donk like you said; donks make this raise with any AJ, AT, i call!
 
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I don't really like raising this flop.
 
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Possible low set here or flush draw. If he is a donk player a weak ace or a flush draw would make the most sense here.
 
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id call here, since its only a 5 dollar raise, u can risk about 20-30 dollar to see what he has, after all AK is a strong hand, when u flop top pair like that, i dono how u can lay down, to just a 5 dollar raise, cause he might be testing you with kings to see if u got aces or not,
 
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He would have reraised preflop if he had AQ.
With these stats, I strongly disagree. In my experience, nitty players like this who (a) have a pfr of 2%, (b) a 3-bet% of 0%, and (c) are out of position in a blind, never 3-bet AQ. Even with a sample size of 65 hands.

As played, a player this passive pulling a CIB 3-bet really says strength to me. I call and re-evaluate the turn in position, but I'd proceed very cautiously.
 
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why not?

villian can be donking with a wide range of hands weak pairs flush draws etc

Because a lot weak players will donk for information, trying to figure out if second pair is good or something like that. I don't like telling them their second pair is no good.

Also, raising means we could be playing for a very large pot, and i'm not sure we want to do that with TPTK.
 
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Also, raising means we could be playing for a very large pot, and i'm not sure we want to do that with TPTK.

This is something that I need to learn to keep in mind.
 
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Because a lot weak players will donk for information, trying to figure out if second pair is good or something like that. I don't like telling them their second pair is no good.

Also, raising means we could be playing for a very large pot, and i'm not sure we want to do that with TPTK.

yeah i agree thats what players are doing but say they do it with a flush draw do we really not wanna raise because many players at this level will call anyway

the second part of your post is obviously a great reason not to raise because it makes continuing harder so i guess maybe raising isnt so great afterall
 
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Because a lot weak players will donk for information, trying to figure out if second pair is good or something like that. I don't like telling them their second pair is no good.

Also, raising means we could be playing for a very large pot, and i'm not sure we want to do that with TPTK.

^this...

also with those stats he's looking very fishy and with a PFR of 2 (even after that many hands) almost nothing except maybe AA is out of his range.

I'd just call and let him keep firing which he likely will do with ALL sorts of inferior hands.

Raising this flop basically encourages a fish to play more correctly instead of less and we don't want that. If we get all the money in we've built a huge pot with one pair and even many fish (esp with those stats) aren't going to get involved in such a huge pot without 2 pair+.


the exception of course are the fish who are bad enough to stack off KK on an A high board or any top pair (A9 here for example) or if they are really REALLY bad... even 2nd pair sometimes (QK/QJ) or something like 88... but we have no reason to believe this guy falls into that category yet.
 
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