$50 NLHE Full Ring: 50nl, heroing vs fish IP on double paired board

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 73/15/3

villain is just clicking buttons, wondering how light we need to be calling him here?

poker stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 2027434
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MP1: $62.72
MP2: $19.49
CO: $54.15
BTN: $57.29
SB: $21.81
BB: $141.00
Hero (UTG): $77.29
UTG+1: $123.10

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with J :heart: A :spade:
Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, CO raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3.50, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($12.25) 7 :club: 9 :spade: 7 :spade: (3 players)
BB bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50, CO folds

Turn: ($23.25) 2 :diamond: (2 players)
BB bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50

River: ($40.25) 9 :club: (2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero calls $10
 
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Hate it pre and on the flop.
 
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Yeah flatting a 3bet with AJ in a 3way pot probably isn't the best move. I would probably 4bet to isolate the fish or simply fold AJ to the 3bet.
 
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I would like to add something. Take it or leave it.

I wouldn't 4 bet pre in this spot. A min-raise post flop could have given you some valuable info.

Seeing that villain bet the whole way, and was in the BB, I could see him having a 9. Maybe a 7 too, but with a 7, villain may have just checked the flop.

I would have played a bit more aggressively if I chose to continue post flop. However, I probably would have just folded post flop.

I don't know if this is the right input, but I would have either folded post flop, or raised the flop to see how strong villain really is. I would never 4 bet pre with A-J off UTG. I am a bit tighter than some, and I don't particularly care for A-J offsuit.

This is only my $0.02
 
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Yeah 4 bet or fold. Whats his 3 bet stat? Had he been going mad, if not I probably just muck it cos I dont particularly like 4 betting either.
 
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are we 4betting for value or as a bluff?

actually planned on 4betting the original raiser as a bluff since he's a multitabling bad reg.. but since the regs gonna c/f a lot of the time with his air it makes it easier for me to play postflop IP imo

the fish leads all flops OOP with or without a hand, so that makes the flop call standard, he normally bets turns and I know now that he fires rivers with a polarised range, mostly air.

all the draws bricked and he's playing a 70/11 so he has more air here than made hands imo.

at the time I didnt know this and so asked here, but its obv without 2P+ you lot hate calling..

opening AJo is standard against a table full of weak regs who won't play back often enough and on the fish's BB.

so there's that.. what are you lot opening here then?

oh, and raising the flop for info is bad since we just fold out all his range that we
beat + we have the As so we have some backdoor draws.

there's my 0.02.
 
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I don't mind opening pre with the fish in the blinds, but I don't like flatting the 3bet.
 
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Definitely opening, but I wouldnt flat the 3 bet and if his 3 bet isnt that high then Im really not a big fan of a 4 bet tbh.
 
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Definitely opening, but I wouldnt flat the 3 bet and if his 3 bet isnt that high then Im really not a big fan of a 4 bet tbh.
I agree. Especially since we now know he a multitabling bad reg. I mean it's not like he's likely to be adjusting to our opening wider based on the fish in the blinds or anything. He's looking at his cards and 3betting for value. Fold to the 3bet.
 
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Fold pre, fold flop, fold turn.

Preflop you haven;t given us the CO's 3bet% or his positional 3bet%s (alot of regs do not 3bet bluff from the CO). However even if he was 3betting wide, I am not willing to flat AJo OOP. His value range crushes us, will often take alot of money from us when we both hit, were out of position so even if he does have a bluffing range here it will often just take the pot down unimproved.

The flop we have the CO behind us, his range still crushes us, even more so now we've whiffed the flop.

I feel I need to emphasize these are very costly mistakes and not me nitpicking like I usually do.
 
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I just proposed the 4-bet because its infinitely better than calling, but its still likely -EV. But if you insist on not folding, you should at least not fold in the way that loses you the least IMO.
 
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agreed pre is bad.

so.. post? villain takes this line with 100% of hands postflop OOP so is post standard?
 
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No as the CO is yet to act and he still crushes you!
Right. While your read says your still ahead of the donking fish you shouldn't be calling the flop with the original 3better yet to act.
 
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