$50 NLHE Full Ring: 1010 - Line Help + Bet sizing

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$50 NL HE Full Ring: 1010 - Line Help + Bet sizing

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 33/25/1.6

Just trying to open up my game and widen post flop skills. I need some help from you LAGs (zachvac) and NSD monsters (belgo) on lines here and betsizing.

I will talk you through my thought processes and dont be afraid to rip me apart for trying this out as I am new to this kinda thing.

Ok firstly I am unsure whether this is the correct opponent to be doing it to as they are basically a fish but only over a 125 hand sample.

Preflop I chose to flat, villian steals 57% and folds to 3bet 0% I think its ok to flat here but should I maybe be 3betting here?

I think this is an ideal flop to bluff check raise, I am thinking he has either hit it hard or completely bricked it so I think its ok to check raise here but what size here I chose 8 which is 2.5x villians bet, should this be more if we are OOP ?

Turn when he flats here to 3bet, I think he may have hit it hard or have maybe a draw maybe 910,67,89 or has something like A7,A8.

So what is our turn line, bet/fold, check/call,check/fold? I dont know what I should do here but im thinking that checking is weak but I am not sure if this is the correct villian to make this play on but im pretty sure this board is fine to do it on?

poker stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 3 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $55.80 (111.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $51.10 (102.2 bb)
BB: $54.15 (108.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with T:spade: T:heart:
BTN raises to $2, Hero calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($4.50) 8:heart: 7:club: 7:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3, Hero raises to $8, BTN calls $5

Turn: ($20.50) 3:spade: (2 players)
Hero??
 
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3handed i much prefer 3betting this pre-flop.
He has a wide steal and 0% fold to 3bet and even if it sucks playing OOP, playing OOP in a 3bet pot doesnt sucks as bad since pot control is out the window for the btn.
I 3bet for value every time.


On the flop im not sure how this is bluff C/R, villain is laggy with a wide range and will probably look us up with worse(A8,K8,Q8,9T,56 some gutshoots and maybe a few KT,AJ types) but never folds better so im not sure what your trying to bluff at.
Isnt this just a standard v-bet?

Im really curious about how belgo or zach play this turn but im betting like 15$ on the turn and calling a shove.
dno maybe thats a horrible line but 3handed against a lagtard there just seem to be more A8,K8 ect then X7.

Would villain try to get it on this flop with JJ-AA? or would he rather flat and go for cheap showdown/get it in on turn?
 
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Not sure I like the flop C/R. Preflop is fine imo. As played he definitely has 8x on this turn a bunch I think but could easily have an overpair even to our TT or possibly even an underpair that he thinks is good or he could even have called with trips to not blow us off our 8x/overpair. I would probably ch/c turn and depending on river card probably ch/f but possibly ch/c.

But yeah against someone this aggro I think we just need to let them bet. Their range when they bet and are not raised is wide, so let's keep it that way and let him give us our value with TT. I'd just ch/c flop and probably ch/c all the way down regardless of turn/river cards (because cards that may let him beat us also will be good cards for him to bluff and if he's really aggro he probably bluffs them more anyway).
 
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Also I really don't think I classify as a lag lol.
 
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Not sure I like the flop C/R. Preflop is fine imo. As played he definitely has 8x on this turn a bunch I think but could easily have an overpair even to our TT or possibly even an underpair that he thinks is good or he could even have called with trips to not blow us off our 8x/overpair. I would probably ch/c turn and depending on river card probably ch/f but possibly ch/c.

But yeah against someone this aggro I think we just need to let them bet. Their range when they bet and are not raised is wide, so let's keep it that way and let him give us our value with TT. I'd just ch/c flop and probably ch/c all the way down regardless of turn/river cards (because cards that may let him beat us also will be good cards for him to bluff and if he's really aggro he probably bluffs them more anyway).

so this is a bad flop to C/R zach?
Is it because he could have any 8/7 or any draw that he will not let go on the flop to a check raise?
 
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No because I think he has a lot of air and weaker hands. When we C/R we basically scare those off and continue against the top of his range. Now I do think we beat some hands that call, namely 8x and underpairs that just think we are fos. But say he 3-bets the flop? Are you just getting it in here? Folding to the 3-bet? I just don't think the C/R accomplishes much. We absolutely crush his range on this flop, and we want him to continue with a super-wide range.
 
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hmm ok man lol I suck.

I cant wait for some coaching to help me out lol
 
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