$50 NLHE 6-max: wtf? call 2pot overbet river w A high

when i see check behind on flop i put my op on strong hand, becouse i though he must bet w all his bluffs on flop. so he must have here KK or AA and check to defend his range from set, maybe sometimes he could check here JJ, QQ or AK, but it's better to bet these hands here. when he called pot on turn i was sure that he has QQ+ so i decided to overbet river for value, sometimes he could play this way w A7s or A6s that he bluffs preflop) but when i saw his call w AK i was realy surprised




$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
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6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG Uivelo88 ($95.59) 191bb
UTG+1 Bulldog17923 ($159.17) 318bb
CO PoeticJustice ($66.39) 133bb
BTN beatPJsteaks ($59.40) 119bb
SB Hero ($325.72) 651bb
BB LieOrDie1 ($164.90) 330bb

Pre-Flop: (0.75, 6 players) Hero is SB 9:club: 9:spade:
1 fold, Bulldog17923 raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, LieOrDie1 raises to $7, Bulldog17923 folds, Hero calls $5.25
Flop: 8:spade: 9:diamond: 6:spade: ($15.75, 2 players)

Hero checks, LieOrDie1 checks

Turn: 6:club: ($15.75, 2)
Hero bets $14.97, LieOrDie1 calls $14.97 River: 5:heart: ($45.69, 2)

Hero bets $88, LieOrDie1 calls $88

Final Pot: $221.69
LieOrDie1 shows
A:club: K:diamond:
Hero shows
9:club: 9:spade:

Hero wins $218.69 (net +$108.72)

Bulldog17923 lost $1.75
LieOrDie1 lost $109.97

That't a big squeeze pre and you need to be careful set mining squeezed pot's if the original raiser folds.Squeezes are bigger than normal sized 3bets so your implied odds aren't as good.Your only being offered something around 12/1 or 13/1 here so for me this would be a fold preflop and add to that your oop.If the original raiser calls our implied odds shoot up and i think the call would be ok.I don't think the call pre is terrible or anything it's likely pretty close.Nice hand anyway though.

we got deep stacks here, he squeezed 14bb so w eff stacks 330bb i think it's easy call w nice implied odds, by the way oR was bigger than normal so 14bb it's not so big squeeze.

I think that was a good call pre flop due to how deep the effective stacks are. Because when you flop big like you did you can play for stacks. I would personally lead out for near pot on this flop. I think villains range is skewed towards jj+ AQ+ and suited connecters none of which have made a straight or flush yet which means you should be protecting your hand and if villain has a big pocket pair or even AK,AQ you will get a call. I just dont see a hand villain can have that you cant get value from on the flop.

nikerules said:

we got deep stacks here, he squeezed 14bb so w eff stacks 330bb i think it's easy call w nice implied odds, by the way oR was bigger than normal so 14bb it's not so big squeeze.

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Ya 3x+1 seems like a standard 3 bet

I missread the stakes so ignore my comment the call is ok.

The call is okay you are deep AF.

The thought process that he is only checking top of his range on flop is very misleading.

For example I check both my medium strength hands and 0 equity hands on flop. If I have a hand that missed the flop but the flop hits my range I bet as a bluff and I bet with my value hands too...

Just dont mislead yourself with the thinking that only the strongest hands check the flop. That is not right

Villain should stab at the pot with all they're 0 equity hands in fact they should just stab with 100% of they're ranges when checked to as it's an auto profit spot.When ever checked on the flop by the preflop agggressor just stab with your whole range.

WabiSabi said:

Villain should stab at the pot with all they're 0 equity hands in fact they should just stab with 100% of they're ranges when checked to as it's an auto profit spot.When ever checked on the flop by the preflop agggressor just stab with your whole range.

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I see your point but doing that 100% is super exploitable and will get you owned on higher stakes

I don't get why you are putting him on AA/ KK, I think he would for sure bet those on such a draw heavy board.
I would put him on a medium strength hand, really strong (not a lot) or air.

AK is a great hand to check, there is a chance you have AQ or maybe even KQ and then he can get value from you. He also can't many better hands fold and can't get any worse to call.

I think the turn and river bet sizing is okey if you also mix in bluffs with the same size. Really weird that he called the river, I somewhat understand the turn but river seems really out of line.

Ahoy said:

I see your point but doing that 100% is super exploitable and will get you owned on higher stakes

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Possibly as you get into high stakes but it's not something id worry about at 100nl and below.Generally when people check they are either giving up or have a top pair weak kicker type hand most people don't have balanced ranges.Maybe 100% is over exagerating the point as you will have a check back range but my check back range wouldn't include my air.

WabiSabi said:

Possibly as you get into high stakes but it's not something id worry about at 100nl and below.Generally when people check they are either giving up or have a top pair weak kicker type hand most people don't have balanced ranges.Maybe 100% is over exagerating the point as you will have a check back range but my check back range wouldn't include my air.

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Check back range should be range which has showdown value but is not worth betting so something like middling pairs and all hands below top pair.

I probably give too much credit to 100NL :sheep:

Ahoy said:

Check back range should be range which has showdown value but is not worth betting so something like middling pairs and all hands below top pair.

I probably give too much credit to 100NL :sheep:

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You can check back A high and hands that have potential to make a decent top pair KQ KJ type hands etc.. Say i flat 45s on the btn vs c/o and c/o checks a J77 flop am i more likely to check back A9s or 45s.It's obviously A9s as i have 2 overs to most of villains pairs and A high has some showdown potential where as 45s has basically no equity.

You cant really go wrong stabbing basically all of your range vs a missed cbet though.Once villains have good samples on you and you notice them adjusting to what your doing just adjust yourself.The vast majority of people probably wont adjust though.

iAmBadAtPoker said:

I think that was a good call pre flop due to how deep the effective stacks are. Because when you flop big like you did you can play for stacks. I would personally lead out for near pot on this flop. I think villains range is skewed towards jj+ AQ+ and suited connecters none of which have made a straight or flush yet which means you should be protecting your hand and if villain has a big pocket pair or even AK,AQ you will get a call. I just dont see a hand villain can have that you cant get value from on the flop.

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I wouldn't personally lead out on the flop. By donk-betting into the aggressor it feels like we're just telling the aggressor: "I hit this flop, and I want to protect my hand" Meaning that the aggressor will continue with his big draws and strongest hands while folding the hands that can't continue without a miracle.By checking the flop to him we don't give him any information, and when he c-bets we now have the option to check raise. A lot of the hands that you mentioned in the villain's range that aren't made hands, but can still call a bet, are also hands that can potentially c-bet.
While you might lose value if villain checks back, it feels somewhat odd for him to check back with most holdings because of how weak that makes his hand look.