€50 NLHE 6-max: Would you check the turn or bet small?

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iPoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 103.22 BB (VPIP: 23.67, PFR: 17.07, 3Bet Preflop: 5.79, hands: 16,727)
BTN: 258.84 BB (VPIP: 48.51, PFR: 18.66, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 137)
Hero (SB): 254.66 BB
BB: 94.1 BB (VPIP: 49.35, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: A:heart:

fold, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN raises to 11 BB, Hero raises to 33 BB, BTN calls 22 BB

Flop: (67 BB, 2 players) 9:heart: 9:spade: T:diamond:
Hero bets 60.3 BB, BTN calls 60.3 BB

Turn: (187.6 BB, 2 players) A:diamond:
Hero ?

So we hit the magical turn which could potentially be a bad card for action but I'll take it for peace of mind every time.

If we were beat on the flop we will get all the money anyways. But if we are up against KK/QQ how do you proceed?

I am thinking check the turn and just shove the river if it's checked back? If he bets the turn less than all in I just call and donk shove the river? Or check raise shove is preferable?
 
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Still got more combo's of AK AQ AJ AT A9 Ax than KK QQ.... if we check to get more value of less combo's we lose value from more combo's.

Hard to know when someone flat calls behind with AK or AQ opposed to KK or QQ especially OOP

a lot of people would be raising you on the flop with QQ and KK thinking stacks?

Also question also is how sticky is the player your playing? what type of player? not one straight out strategy here.

I had 88 and flopped Quads and checked every street til river... and well I got stacks in cuz the guy hit the straight on the river... everyone was shocked and dismayed... I deserved an academy award.
point is they either have something to call u down with when they are decent players or bad players .... Bad players who get sticky wont believe you and call you down with nothing but decent players won't......
 
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Raise 1/3 of the pot on the turn to disguise a weaker hand.If villain check back on the turn possibly you loose value on the river.
 
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2 options here.

1) Check/shove
2) Bet 50 bb to look weak, induce shoves, further pot commit TT-KK.

We're trying to extract value from TT-KK while getting KQs type hands to bluff at us since that's the bulk of your opponent's range.

I think I lean towards the small bet. KQ type stuff may bluff shove, while KK may hang on if the price is cheap.

Just looks super strong here when we check and then shove the river. Probably lets KK off the hook.
 
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2 options here.

1) Check/shove
2) Bet 50 bb to look weak, induce shoves, further pot commit TT-KK.

We're trying to extract value from TT-KK while getting KQs type hands to bluff at us since that's the bulk of your opponent's range.

I think I lean towards the small bet. KQ type stuff may bluff shove, while KK may hang on if the price is cheap.

Just looks super strong here when we check and then shove the river. Probably lets KK off the hook.
What about check/call and then donk the river?

Check call gives KK confidence that maybe we have QQ. And then the river lead is the final decision for our opponent and it is entirely possible they improve by then. It's like giving our opponent a little confidence only to take it away a street later.
 
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May be chek\call on the turn and raise river?
 
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I'd check on the turn and then bet/shove river.
If you slow down he may go ahead and bet himself on turn, something what would be really good for you.
 
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Check/call and then donk river makes less from draws that miss. And it probably allows KK type hands to get away when you donk shove for 150 bb's.
 
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id only bet flop this size if they're really bad cuz you're playing super exploitative (what are you doing with AK/86s here?).

So from that point of view..

On turn they're checking a lot with everything. I'd bet 1/2 pot so draws can call.. maybe a lil less, then shove river.

If I was playing against a decent player sizing would be diff and turn is a bet cuz you'll wanna bluff this a lot.
 
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I'd just go like 40-45bb and ship the river. Pot commits TT-KK, and lets him spaz with bluffs/draws. Anything else looks too strong.
 
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Yeah I don't really like checking the nuts against a fish here. If we check what is villain ever betting with? I think we could argue any hand he is betting he is going to raise/GII regardless. I would say majority of his range is checking back though.
 
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id only bet flop this size if they're really bad cuz you're playing super exploitative (what are you doing with AK/86s here?).

So from that point of view..

On turn they're checking a lot with everything. I'd bet 1/2 pot so draws can call.. maybe a lil less, then shove river.

If I was playing against a decent player sizing would be diff and turn is a bet cuz you'll wanna bluff this a lot.
Actually he seems quite bad I saw the way he built up his stack. He is actually the reason why I am still at the table as otherwise I try to avoid 4 handed at 50NL.
 
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