$50 NLHE 6-max: Are we always betting for value otr? Really want to know the optimal play here.

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$50 NLHE 6-max: Are we always betting for value otr? Really want to know the optimal play here.

Table Information
Seat1: porix ($56.74)Dealer
Seat2: i_runlikegod ($29.35)Small Blind
Seat3: stackshotbilly ($50)Big Blind
Seat4: ovitoo ($42)

Seat5: 9990209 ($13.45)

Dealt to ovitoo

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Preflop (Pot:0.75)
ovitoo (utg) RAISE $1.25
9990209 FOLD
porix FOLD
i_runlikegod FOLD
stackshotbilly CALL $0.75
Flop (Pot: $2.75)

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stackshotbilly CHECK
ovitoo BET $2
stackshotbilly CALL $2
Turn (Pot: $6.75)

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stackshotbilly CHECK
ovitoo BET $4.50
stackshotbilly CALL $4.50
River (Pot: $15.75)

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stackshotbilly CHECK
ovitoo BET $9
stackshotbilly ALL-IN $42.25
ovitoo ALL-IN $25.25
 
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Yeah it's a bet but I have no idea about calling/folding with out some sort of read. Read less I think I just call it off. I think villains will show up with worse flushes often enough to be +EV.
 
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Definitely betting the river for value from smaller flushes and I think I'd make it $12. That is big enough to still get called by all worse flushes and if I then get raised its usually going to be from a boat.
I try to factor in the more strength I can get them to show in response to my own betting the more reliable the read is going to be.
I can't comment on whether I call it off, it's too player dependant but it would certainly be difficult to lay it down.
Looking at it as a whole I might actually bet bigger on the turn as well on such a dynamic board, when he just flats in the BB he will have plenty of small pairs now sets and suited Kx.
 
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Table Information
Seat1: porix ($56.74)Dealer
Seat2: i_runlikegod ($29.35)Small Blind
Seat3: stackshotbilly ($50)Big Blind
Seat4: ovitoo ($42)

Seat5: 9990209 ($13.45)

Dealt to ovitoo

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Preflop (Pot:0.75)
ovitoo (utg) RAISE $1.25
9990209 FOLD
porix FOLD
i_runlikegod FOLD
stackshotbilly CALL $0.75
Flop (Pot: $2.75)

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stackshotbilly CHECK
ovitoo BET $2
stackshotbilly CALL $2
Turn (Pot: $6.75)

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6H.png
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stackshotbilly CHECK
ovitoo BET $4.50
stackshotbilly CALL $4.50
River (Pot: $15.75)

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stackshotbilly CHECK
ovitoo BET $9
stackshotbilly ALL-IN $42.25
ovitoo ALL-IN $25.25
The flop action is kind of strange. Stackshotbilly checks and then calls a $2 bet.
What could he have at this stage ? KK unlikely, 55 maybe 66 maybe. But K5 56 or K6 would probably be reraising the $2 bet on the turn. It is a vulnerable 2 pair.

It is unlikely that he has Kx of hearts because he would raise the turn to protect against the one card Ace flush. KK would have raised pre flop.

So he probably has 1 of two hands 55 or a lower flush.

I think your bet on the turn is way too small. If he has a flush you want to get the money in here. By overbetting the turn, it looks like you could be protecting your flush from a potential one card (ace high) flush. Obviously you are not, but try and interpret how your opponent views your action. You overbet the turn, he may come over the top and go all in.

For him to check the river with a full house would be odd. Surely he would have to value bet it, because you potentially could just check behind him. Thus when he reraises all in, it is a snap call for me. I def put him on lower flush.
 
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isn't 2.5bb preflop raise too small from UTG as well?
 
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This is unquestionably a va lue bet on the river. My first thought was that the bet was a little light but the more i think about it the more i like it. His most likely holdings are Kx, some smaller pairs and draws. The king might call a small bet but the flush draws (or better) will likely raise reopening the pot so it makes sense to me to target the King with a smaller, more callable, bet.

Now should you call? Of course! What's beating you that makes sense? Is he slow playing a set or 2 pair on such a draw heavy board? Maybe, but not as likely as he is to have made his flush. Call call call and don't sweat the coolers.
 
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This is unquestionably a va lue bet on the river. My first thought was that the bet was a little light but the more i think about it the more i like it. His most likely holdings are Kx, some smaller pairs and draws. The king might call a small bet but the flush draws (or better) will likely raise reopening the pot so it makes sense to me to target the King with a smaller, more callable, bet.

Now should you call? Of course! What's beating you that makes sense? Is he slow playing a set or 2 pair on such a draw heavy board? Maybe, but not as likely as he is to have made his flush. Call call call and don't sweat the coolers.

Thanks for the response. I figured it was a cooler (had 56s) but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't just spewing chips. When the board paired, the nervous nit in me thought about checking back but ultimately I decided there were soo many hands that would give me value here. Also it's not 5 or 10nl where a check/raise otr is always the nuts so I don't think I ever find a fold here.
 
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It's always a river VB, but when posting hands can you post stats or reads, because the river call after the shove depends a bit on the opponent you're facing. Some opponents you should be folding versus.
 
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It's always a river VB, but when posting hands can you post stats or reads, because the river call after the shove depends a bit on the opponent you're facing. Some opponents you should be folding versus.

This, the stakes don't exactly matter but the villain stats do. You can have nits at 50NL, just like at 5NL.
 
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It's always a river VB, but when posting hands can you post stats or reads, because the river call after the shove depends a bit on the opponent you're facing. Some opponents you should be folding versus.

No HUD, sorry. Took a long break from poker and I can't seem to recover my PT4.
 
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No HUD, sorry. Took a long break from poker and I can't seem to recover my PT4.
You can have plenty of reads without a HUD. I'd even argue that you can get better reads without a HUD, playing one table and taking lots of notes. The HUD just automates the reading process, so you can play more tables.
 
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