$50 NLHE 6-max: Value betting 101

$50 NL HE 6-max: Value betting 101

I didn't raise pf (I normally would) due to MP, 77/1/7 5% 3bet over 120 hands - every hand I'd raised him on before, he'd 3bet me.

SB is an active reg on another forum, fairly well respected I think - he recently stacked me in a BvB (AQ trips < A9 full house) - 15/12/2 over 370 hands. Not tricky at all, when he bets, he has something good, never seen him sd trash.

BB is a multi-tabling (16) robot, semi-bluffs regularly, but doesn't bluff air much that I know of - 20/15/1 over 1K hands.

3 questions -

1. Is my reasoning in not raising pf sound?
2. Flop and turn okay? They both seemed interested in continuing, so I wasn't crazy about raising the turn - but the fact SB made a psb and BB called got me thinking that maybe I should have pushed here - but I was worried one or the other would fold if I pushed...
3. How much should (can) I bet the river and get at least one caller?

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poker stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: $71.50 (143 bb)
MP: $106.70 (213.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $73.55 (147.1 bb)
BTN: $142.80 (285.6 bb)
SB: $62.25 (124.5 bb)
BB: $68.20 (136.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with 3 3
UTG folds, MP calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB completes, BB checks

Flop: ($2.50) A 3 J (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2, MP folds, Hero calls $2, BTN folds, SB calls $2

Turn: ($8.50) A (3 players)
SB bets $9, BB calls $9, Hero calls $9

River: ($35.50) K (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets ???

raise 1 of the streets so you can just shove the river, as played ugh, I dont think your going to get much value from anything except A,x but i doubt a shove will get called by anthing you beat, since these regs will prob fold a,q. Just bet like 28-32, but make sure your not in this spot again.

switch0723 said:

raise 1 of the streets so you can just shove the river, as played ugh, I dont think your going to get much value from anything except A,x but i doubt a shove will get called by anthing you beat, since these regs will prob fold a,q. Just bet like 28-32, but make sure your not in this spot again.

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Makes sense - raise to $27 on the turn?

Oh - just to make my thought process clear - I was putting both of them on AT or worse A's because there was no raise pf, I was worried I'd drive both of them out with a turn raise...

slycbnew said:

Makes sense - raise to $27 on the turn?

Oh - just to make my thought process clear - I was putting both of them on AT or worse A's because there was no raise pf, I was worried I'd drive both of them out with a turn raise...

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Because flush draws, 45, A3 just can't be in their range....

slycbnew said:

Not tricky at all, when he bets, he has something good, never seen him sd trash.

BB is a multi-tabling (16) robot, semi-bluffs regularly, but doesn't bluff air much

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Read this, and then explain why you didn't raise.

Ya I'm definitely raising the turn. No way either is going to lay down an Ax hand to a raise, and might even call multiway with a FD/combo draw. Then you can just shove river.

As played, Im with switch. 28-32, folding to a shove? not sure what they shove that we beat. however Our hand is pretty well disguised so i wouldnt be too surprised to see like A10 shove or a random Q10 since your AJ and AK combos will be hugely discounted by limping.

Also, against MP, your basically deep enough to setmine in 3bet pots. if you raise to 2 and he repops to 6 your getting 12.25:1. if you only go 3xbb and he goes to 4.5-5 then your def getting odds. Especially if it goes multiway.

c9h13no3 said:

Because flush draws, 45, A3 just can't be in their range....

Read this, and then explain why you didn't raise.

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Points taken, thanks

Deltafrost said:

Also, against MP, your basically deep enough to setmine in 3bet pots. if you raise to 2 and he repops to 6 your getting 12.25:1. if you only go 3xbb and he goes to 4.5-5 then your def getting odds. Especially if it goes multiway.

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Great point, thanks!

FWIW, villains had A4o and QTo respectively, and both called a $30 river bet. I knew I botched this hand (hence the post and the title), that I should've ended up with both their stacks, thanks to all for explaining how to think through this.

In summary, I should have planned on a way to get my stack in when I saw the flop, and didn't even think to make a plan until it was too late, yuck. I missed seeing all the draws when I played the hand, as c9 pointed out - I only realized they were there when BB mucked QT...

slycbnew said:

Great point, thanks!

FWIW, villains had A4o and QTo respectively, and both called a $30 river bet. I knew I botched this hand (hence the post and the title), that I should've ended up with both their stacks, thanks to all for explaining how to think through this.

In summary, I should have planned on a way to get my stack in when I saw the flop, and didn't even think to make a plan until it was too late, yuck. I missed seeing all the draws when I played the hand, as c9 pointed out - I only realized they were there when BB mucked QT...

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usually betting and raising gets it in fastest Its what i usually do with sets. Seems to work for me.