$50 NLHE 6-max: Urrgh I cant play postflop in 4bet pots

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$50 NL HE 6-max: Urrgh I cant play postflop in 4bet pots

BB: 25/19/33 (300 hands)
3bet= 8.3% Fold to 3bet=25%


This hand should be littered with errors, which is exactly why I've put it up:rolleyes:

Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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MP: $35.75 (71.5 bb)
CO: $55.40 (110.8 bb)
BTN: $57.95 (115.9 bb)
Hero (SB): $60 (120 bb)
BB: $51.30 (102.6 bb)
UTG: $11.55 (23.1 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with T:club: 8:club:
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $10.50, BB calls $6

Flop: ($21) 4:club: Q:spade: T:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($21) 7:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $13.50, Hero???
 
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Do you have stats on his fold to flop bets/c-bets or how often he folds the blinds?

I hate the spot we're in, and obviously you do. Is calling here then a c/c on the river (as long as there isn't a big scare card)... way too passive?

If he has been really loose and aggressive in defending his blinds, then I think we do have some showdown value here... but I'm not sure a check raise will get called (let alone c/r) by any hands we actually beat. Also if he has been the loose and aggressive in the blinds, then I'm going to battle with better cards.

I think 4-bet bluffing at 50NL is getting a little too tricky (although I play 5NL where it is a sin) and I'm pretty sure your 4-bet is a little on the tiny size against a person with position. Isn't he getting close to 3:1 odds to see a flop with position on you?
 
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i don't really get why you 4bet. it's too small to get him to fold, and you're going to be OOP with T-high. if you're doing it as a bluff, you might as well just keep bluffing on the flop or turn or whatever, and i don't really like checking twice because i don't think we can never know where we stand in this hand at this point
 
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I really think you can just generally fold to the 3bet OOP. His 3bet range is fairly wide but even against a balanced 8% range your equity is not very good and if he's only 3betting the top 8% it downright sucks.

If you do 4bet and get called I think you need to stay aggressive on the flop. I really like folding preflop a whole lot more though.
 
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I am not folding the turn, and if I 4-bet, I'm 4-betting larger.

Fold to 3bet=25% <-- given this stat, why did you think he'd fold to your 4-bet? Also, what's his fold blind to steal?
 
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Do you have stats on his fold to flop bets/c-bets or how often he folds the blinds?

I hate the spot we're in, and obviously you do. Is calling here then a c/c on the river (as long as there isn't a big scare card)... way too passive?

He's folded 2/6 times to C-bets, we don't really have enough hands for it.

Thats the line I took, although I regret it. A king came down and he shoved, I folded despite the 3 to 1 odds


i don't really get why you 4bet. it's too small to get him to fold, and you're going to be OOP with T-high. if you're doing it as a bluff, you might as well just keep bluffing on the flop or turn or whatever, and i don't really like checking twice because i don't think we can never know where we stand in this hand at this point

That's my standard 3bet size, tbh I aint very experienced with 4bet bluffing as doing it at 25NL isnt too good, I don't do it much but this guy had been 3betting me a ton and my steal% was running into the 70s for this session.

You think in future I should make my 4bet potsized when out of position?
Should I be 4bet bluffing at all at these stakes?

I am not folding the turn, and if I 4-bet, I'm 4-betting larger.

Fold to 3bet=25% <-- given this stat, why did you think he'd fold to your 4-bet? Also, what's his fold blind to steal?

I put that in as I wondered whether anyone would think its relevant.
I only had 4 hands on this stat yet his stats appeared to be pretty solid so I chose to ignore the fold to 3bet and focus on the fact he has a high 3bet and I have a fair few hands on him to confirm this (a rare site indeed).

His fold BB to steal is 79%
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Bigger 4bet or should 4bet bluffing not be a part of my game?
or it should be a part of my game but this is the wriong situation due to his fold to 3bet stat?
 
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Should I be 4bet bluffing at all at these stakes?
I 4-bet bluffed a bit at 50NL, just not super often. I'd also stick with a 2.5x 4-bet size, since you want to 4-bet/fold. Its almost never good to put yourself in a situation where you have to call a shove preflop with T8s.

I also really don't like your hand choice to 4-bet with. I prefer to have either an ace or a king to 4-bet light with. ATs, KJs, A5o, or even QJs are going to be a lot easier to play than hands that make nothing but 2nd pair.
 
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