$50 NLHE 6-max: Top two pair on a wet board?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 20 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 37)
BB: 37.48 BB (VPIP: 19.13, PFR: 15.72, 3Bet Preflop: 10.09, Hands: 543)
UTG: 128.44 BB (VPIP: 31.68, PFR: 27.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 102)
MP: 91.32 BB (VPIP: 76.00, PFR: 48.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
CO: 97.28 BB (VPIP: 27.17, PFR: 18.53, 3Bet Preflop: 10.20, Hands: 380)
Hero (BTN): 189.12 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5:heart: 7:heart:

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) 3:diamond: 2:heart: 7:diamond:
MP checks, Hero bets 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB

Turn: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond:
MP checks, Hero bets 16.64 BB, MP raises to 33.28 BB, Hero raises to 181.12 BB and is all-in, MP calls 50.04 BB and is all-in

River: (184.14 BB, 2 players) K:spade:

The Villain is super lose play 50% of his hand.

Preflop: hi limp UTG (saw him limp 48s this kind of hand before in EP). I in the BTN with 57s and raise he call. Someone may argue that I should not open this hand but the table dynamics is I have tight image (17% PFR) and I want to play with this looser.

Flop: good flop for us top pair and back door straight draw, I cbet and he calls. Feeling his range is still wide to me.

Turn: 5 diamond come. We made top two pair, at the same time, the villain may also make the flush or straight if he was drawing. I decide to continue barreling to charge all his drawing like AdX, some over pair with a diamond or some wired lower two pair 35s, 52s. He min raise me. Thinking on the river he will jam no matter what for around half pot and I will face tough decision, I decide to jam to kill his action if he is bluffing. He call the jam.

I will publish the results later. How do you evaluate the turn I played?

Quite hard hand to say anything given opponent. His range pre is either weak or he is slow playing lol.

Maybe something like this pre: QQ+,66-22,AKs,A5s-A2s,K7s-K2s,Q7s-Q2s,J7s-J2s,T7s-T3s,97s-93s,83s+,73s+,63s+,52s+,42s+,32s,AKo,A8o-A2o,K9o-K2o,Q9o-Q6o,J8o-J7o,T8o-T7o,96o+,85o+,75o+,65o,54o

I find it that normal deduction works only partly in cases like this, so better not to try use too much logic in hand reading. On the turn, and giving him TP+, + all draws but no gut and assuming he will most likely call the raise with all of them hero has 67% and raising was fine.
I think 67% is enough a big number to have large error and still be fine by raising.

You played only 27 hands with him that is small a sample to conclude something about him.
If you think that he will jam the river anyway why jam yourself? By jamming the turn you can only make worse hands then yours fold, better to keep his worst hands in also and let him bluff them off also. The variance might be bigger but the gain also.

I agree theres wasn´t enough hands for you to be sure of his intentions.

braveslice said:

Quite hard hand to say anything given opponent. His range pre is either weak or he is slow playing lol.

Maybe something like this pre: QQ+,66-22,AKs,A5s-A2s,K7s-K2s,Q7s-Q2s,J7s-J2s,T7s-T3s,97s-93s,83s+,73s+,63s+,52s+,42s+,32s,AKo,A8o-A2o,K9o-K2o,Q9o-Q6o,J8o-J7o,T8o-T7o,96o+,85o+,75o+,65o,54o

I find it that normal deduction works only partly in cases like this, so better not to try use too much logic in hand reading. On the turn, and giving him TP+, + all draws but no gut and assuming he will most likely call the raise with all of them hero has 67% and raising was fine.
I think 67% is enough a big number to have large error and still be fine by raising.

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QQ+,44,6d6h,6d6s,6d6c,5s5c,3h3s,3h3c,3s3c,2d2s,2d2c,2s2c,A4s,K4s,Q4s,J4s,T4s,96s,94s,86s,84s,64s,AdKd,Ks7s,Kc7c,Qs7s,Qc7c,Js7s,Jc7c,Ts7s,Tc7c,9s7s,9c7c,8s7s,8c7c,Kd6d,Qd6d,Jd6d,Td6d,7s6s,7c6c,7s5s,7c5c,7s4s,7c4c,5s4s,5c4c,7s3s,7c3c,5s3s,5c3c,4h3h,4s3s,4c3c,Ad2d,Kd2d,Qd2d,Jd2d,5s2s,5c2c,4d2d,4s2s,4c2c,3s2s,3c2c,A4o,K4o,96o,86o,AdKh,AdKs,AdKc,AhKd,AsKd,AcKd,Ad8h,Ad8s,Ad8c,Ah8d,As8d,Ac8d,Ad7s,Ad7c,Ah7s,Ah7c,As7c,Ac7s,Ad6h,Ad6s,Ad6c,Ah6d,As6d,Ac6d,Ad5s,Ad5c,Ad3h,Ad3s,Ad3c,Ad2s,Ad2c,Ah2d,As2d,Ac2d,Kd9h,Kd9s,Kd9c,Kh9d,Ks9d,Kc9d,Kd8h,Kd8s,Kd8c,Kh8d,Ks8d,Kc8d,Kd7s,Kd7c,Kh7s,Kh7c,Ks7c,Kc7s,Kd6h,Kd6s,Kd6c,Kh6d,Ks6d,Kc6d,Kd5s,Kd5c,Kd3h,Kd3s,Kd3c,Kd2s,Kd2c,Kh2d,Ks2d,Kc2d,Qd9h,Qd9s,Qd9c,Qh9d,Qs9d,Qc9d,Qd8h,Qd8s,Qd8c,Qh8d,Qs8d,Qc8d,Qd7s,Qd7c,Qh7s,Qh7c,Qs7c,Qc7s,Qd6h,Qd6s,Qd6c,Qh6d,Qs6d,Qc6d,Jd8h,Jd8s,Jd8c,Jh8d,Js8d,Jc8d,Jd7s,Jd7c,Jh7s,Jh7c,Js7c,Jc7s,Td8h,Td8s,Td8c,Th8d,Ts8d,Tc8d,Td7s,Td7c,Th7s,Th7c,Ts7c,Tc7s,9d8h,9d8s,9d8c,9h8d,9s8d,9c8d,9d7s,9d7c,9h7s,9h7c,9s7c,9c7s,8d7s,8d7c,8h7s,8h7c,8s7c,8c7s,8d5s,8d5c,7s6d,7s6h,7s6c,7c6d,7c6h,7c6s,7s5c,7c5s,6d5s,6d5c,5s4d,5s4h,5s4c,5c4d,5c4h,5c4s

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Agree not to use so logic for the hand analyzes facing this V.

Hujiko said:

You played only 27 hands with him that is small a sample to conclude something about him.

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Can you elaborate a bit more about this idea, he did not say anything about the villain only stats. Given stats, we can't conclude more than that he like to play his hands and overvalues every hand ( told by pfr).

Alexchen said:

Agree not to use so logic for the hand analyzes facing this V.

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For me at least no logic. There might be hidden one relevaved hopefully by someone.

I think we are up against somebody who, like bravesclice says, overvalues most hands. We could be dealing with anything from weak 2 pairs to a straight flush.

He check/calls flop, then check/raises turn when the flush and str8 draws come home. I think this is an easy fold even against an idiot. This kind of player loves suited connectors, 1 gappers, etc. and has a ton of them in his range.

braveslice said:

Can you elaborate a bit more about this idea, he did not say anything about the villain only stats. Given stats, we can't conclude more than that he like to play his hands and overvalues every hand ( told by pfr).


For me at least no logic. There might be hidden one relevaved hopefully by someone.

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The number of hands make then the statistical variance to big to say something about the villain. Suppose he is dealt AK 5 times during the 27 hands and he plays those aggressive that alone will give him already 20% VIP and 20% PFR. Now combined with the other hands that he gets and plays sometimes he will be seen as a aggressive player but he only got dealt more goods hands during that 27 hands then normal.

Alexchen said:

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 20 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
BB: 37.48 BB (VPIP: 19.13, PFR: 15.72, 3Bet Preflop: 10.09, Hands: 543)
UTG: 128.44 BB (VPIP: 31.68, PFR: 27.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 102)
MP: 91.32 BB (VPIP: 76.00, PFR: 48.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
CO: 97.28 BB (VPIP: 27.17, PFR: 18.53, 3Bet Preflop: 10.20, Hands: 380)
Hero (BTN): 189.12 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♥ 7♥

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) 3♦ 2♥ 7♦
MP checks, Hero bets 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB

Turn: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 5♦
MP checks, Hero bets 16.64 BB, MP raises to 33.28 BB, Hero raises to 181.12 BB and is all-in, MP calls 50.04 BB and is all-in

River: (184.14 BB, 2 players) K♠

The Villain is super lose play 50% of his hand.

Preflop: hi limp UTG (saw him limp 48s this kind of hand before in EP). I in the BTN with 57s and raise he call. Someone may argue that I should not open this hand but the table dynamics is I have tight image (17% PFR) and I want to play with this looser.

Flop: good flop for us top pair and back door straight draw, I cbet and he calls. Feeling his range is still wide to me.

Turn: 5 diamond come. We made top two pair, at the same time, the villain may also make the flush or straight if he was drawing. I decide to continue barreling to charge all his drawing like AdX, some over pair with a diamond or some wired lower two pair 35s, 52s. He min raise me. Thinking on the river he will jam no matter what for around half pot and I will face tough decision, I decide to jam to kill his action if he is bluffing. He call the jam.

I will publish the results later. How do you evaluate the turn I played?

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I was fine with everything until you jammed. Call his raise and evaluate river. Villains range is far too wide and you can get more value out of your winning hands against his aggression on river, or have enough money in pot to go check check on river and take pot down.

I think you shouldn't be pushing at all, not much you can beat that will call you.

Let me guess does villain show the flush?

Something like 9 ♦ 10 ♦

very curious now lol

If you dont mind OP, I would love to know the end result of the hand lol

Send me a quick PM please with what the opponent was holding!

CHeers

best of luck

Alexchen said:

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 20 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
BB: 37.48 BB (VPIP: 19.13, PFR: 15.72, 3Bet Preflop: 10.09, Hands: 543)
UTG: 128.44 BB (VPIP: 31.68, PFR: 27.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 102)
MP: 91.32 BB (VPIP: 76.00, PFR: 48.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
CO: 97.28 BB (VPIP: 27.17, PFR: 18.53, 3Bet Preflop: 10.20, Hands: 380)
Hero (BTN): 189.12 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5♥ 7♥

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) 3♦ 2♥ 7♦
MP checks, Hero bets 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB

Turn: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 5♦
MP checks, Hero bets 16.64 BB, MP raises to 33.28 BB, Hero raises to 181.12 BB and is all-in, MP calls 50.04 BB and is all-in

River: (184.14 BB, 2 players) K♠

The Villain is super lose play 50% of his hand.

Preflop: hi limp UTG (saw him limp 48s this kind of hand before in EP). I in the BTN with 57s and raise he call. Someone may argue that I should not open this hand but the table dynamics is I have tight image (17% PFR) and I want to play with this looser.

Flop: good flop for us top pair and back door straight draw, I cbet and he calls. Feeling his range is still wide to me.

Turn: 5 diamond come. We made top two pair, at the same time, the villain may also make the flush or straight if he was drawing. I decide to continue barreling to charge all his drawing like AdX, some over pair with a diamond or some wired lower two pair 35s, 52s. He min raise me. Thinking on the river he will jam no matter what for around half pot and I will face tough decision, I decide to jam to kill his action if he is bluffing. He call the jam.

I will publish the results later. How do you evaluate the turn I played?

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This is a easy fold. The field just doesn't bluff the turn very often in this spot - especially after your pot sized turn bet. I would guess he is raising the turn with a flush or maybe A4.

it's 2 much for that kind of hand yes you have 2 pairs but its on a very connected board the flush hits A4 and 46 straights also got there, he might be loose but a loose player will have this hands that beats you on his range, after hitting 2 pairs if you have in mind to go with it it's better to pot control by check calling

Thanks, guys I feel I did misplay this hand. Calling should be a better strategy on this board.

Pre is not a good hand to iso with. Villain seems very fishy and our hand isn't even a favorite against his range, as horrible as it is. Low suited connectors are not that good against this villain since if we flop a draw we are forced to play passively until our draw hits.

Turn is entirely dependant on what our fish population is raising turn with, at my stake I've seen them do it with overpairs a lot in this situation, of which he can have plenty, so I'd shove against a 48 pfr.