$50 NLHE 6-max: Is there merit to my play or just spew?

Villain stats are 21/19 over 143 hands, 8% 3bet, cbet flop+turn both 100%, only (3/3) and (2/2). I haven't tangoed with him before.

My thoughts: When he doesn't cbet the flop he's usually just giving up so standard stab, when he calls I'm thinking he has some weak showdown value type hand that isn't strong enough to vbet. I don't think he checks overpairs/sets/strong T's because it's a pretty wet board. So i'm pretty much thinking it's like 99,77,A8,87s, that sort of hand, maybe AK getting stubborn.

The turn doesn't change anything so I think a turn barrel is going to get him to fold all of the stuff i mentioned above most of the time. He tank called the turn which led me to believe he does have a weak showdown type hand. Again river doesn't change anything so I think surely his weak showdown type hand can't stand up to a third barrel so I ship. I think that I rep overpairs and sets.

So what do u think? Do I not rep enough? Is the range I've given him fair or do u think he can show up with strong hands here? Is there merit to this or is it just spewy?

888 Poker - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $21.67 (VPIP: 22.00, PFR: 18.54, 3Bet Preflop: 6.62, Hands: 1,368)
BB: $67.29 (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 19.31, 3Bet Preflop: 9.26, Hands: 148)
UTG: $24.08 (VPIP: 41.82, PFR: 10.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 55)
CO: $37.55 (VPIP: 13.70, PFR: 5.48, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 76)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has K:heart: Q:heart:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.31, fold, BB raises to $5.00, Hero calls $3.69

Flop: ($10.25, 2 players) 8:spade: T:diamond: 6:diamond:
BB checks, Hero bets $5.50, BB calls $5.50

Turn: ($21.25, 2 players) 5:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets $12.00, BB calls $12.00

River: ($45.25, 2 players) 3:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets $27.50(all in),

I don't float this board. Way too many hands can comfortably float catch when most his pairs will hold gutshots and hands like QJ may opt to double barrel.

As played I like the river shove all these pairs+gutshots I didn't want to float because of will mostly fold to a shove, with the flush draw out there we will get hero called from time to time but I think it's the best we can do in a bad situation.

Why are we donking the flop? any ten will call and he wont fold AK-AQ i dont think so we are only spewing there. Just check it back.
Turn bet is fine but only because you bet the flop so may aswell keep up agression may get overs to fold now but once he calls that just give up. There is nothing wrong with giving up a pot every now and then...
Looks like a made hand from pre to me and he doesnt beleive your story.. not sure what he will call flop and turn with and fold river?

Deco - I didn't float the flop, he checked it to me and I bet.

Jackle - I didn't donk the flop, i'm ip and he checked to me

js520 said:

Deco - I didn't float the flop, he checked it to me and I bet.

Jackle - I didn't donk the flop, i'm ip and he checked to me

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+1

What hand are you guys reading?

If I think about it, the play seems like it might work a lot of the time. The way he plays it seems like he has a T or something like 99, 88 maybe even lower. JJ+ is also possible but I think he will continue on flop with those with a cbet. Even so, with the danger of him having AA I think you can push him off a better hand a decent amount of time.

I think he does fold AK, AQ but not as many combinations of these than pocket pairs, one pair type hands or draws. Also what are you repping here? Why would you call a 3 bet with 79? A set if the only thing you can rep here and that's hard. I would just check/fold.

Like you said if you do barrel flop you have to fire all three streets, but it's hard to represent something here.

js520 said:

Jackle - I didn't donk the flop, i'm ip and he checked to me

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My mistake, take that back but still believe everything else I said haha

Yoshimiii said:

Like you said if you do barrel flop you have to fire all three streets, but it's hard to represent something here.

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Don't u think i rep overpairs as well as sets? Although I agree when I look back I think part of the problem with i is I don't rep that much

Whoops. I cbet flop then give up.
I like triple barreling check/call lines like this but this spot isn't so great as we rep very little and will see more calls when the flush draws out.
If the flush had come in on the turn I triple barrel, as it stands I just check turn.

Don't hate it by any means your thought process is pretty solid.

js520 said:

Don't u think i rep overpairs as well as sets? Although I agree when I look back I think part of the problem with i is I don't rep that much

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JJ, QQ maybe but QQ is a 4 bet sometimes and would you be willing to risk whole stack with JJ on such a wet board and take this same line? just a thought.

Yea although I would sometimes flat the 3bet in that spot with AA/KK aswell. But your probably right that I don't really rep enough here. Villain pretty much owned because he tank called the river with 76. So he had the sort of hand I thought he had but made a hero call

4betting JJ+ is pretty standard there, I wouldn't have put you on any of them in villains shoes.

I'd have your value range on {66,88,TT} and depending on how good I thought you were maybe ATs/KTs.

Deco said:

4betting JJ+ is pretty standard there, I wouldn't have put you on any of them in villains shoes.

I'd have your value range on {66,88,TT} and depending on how good I thought you were maybe ATs/KTs.

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Yea it's standard to 4bet JJ+ there but against the right villain i think its better to flat there as some 3bet so wide that when they get 4bet they're just gonna fold the majority of the time. Obviously I don't have enough hands on villain for that and I probably would have 4bet JJ+, don't know if he knows that. So yea I think the main flaw in this play is I don't rep enough.

I would like to have thought if i did have AT/KT then I would have played it the same given the range of hands I was giving him.

Pretty close between 4-betting and flatting pre here. I mean it blows monkey chunks when we get 5-bet but generally we aren't gonna do well if we go to a flop vs. the hands he'd 5-bet us with.

Yea it's standard to 4bet JJ+ there but against the right villain i think its better to flat there as some 3bet so wide that when they get 4bet they're just gonna fold the majority of the time.

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This is true and this might be the right villain but few people are going to give you credit for having any overpairs here; if you have history with this particular villain of owning him with a slowplayed big pair then sure, but if that dynamic exists you should note that in OP.

As played I don't hate this but I'd like to know that villain isn't a hero/stationy type. I feel like he has decent SD value almost all the time as his biggest draws are going to c/r or lead flop.

I'd hate 4betting KQs here, it's pretty much the top of my flatting range would be an awful waste to have it 5bet.

Deco said:

I'd hate 4betting KQs here, it's pretty much the top of my flatting range would be an awful waste to have it 5bet.

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My thoughts as well. And Baudib no i didn't have any dynamic with villain wheres he seen me slowplay an overpair or anything like that. We hadn't really tangled before as i did say in OP. So you're right there's the fault in my play

Deco said:

I'd hate 4betting KQs here, it's pretty much the top of my flatting range would be an awful waste to have it 5bet.

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As mentioned, our default should be to 4-bet/GII with JJ+ or TT+. If we don't want to waste our monsters by 4-betting them, as mentioned here, because he folds too much, we should be

A. flatting everything, including our stackoff range
B. 4-bet bluffing.

Flatting monsters isn't a terrible idea in this spot but we lose value when we have them coolered.

If we choose to 4-bet bluff, then KQ is going to be pretty much the nut hand to do it with as it blocks more combos of QQ+/AK than any other hand. And if we get 5-bet, it's only KQ, we'll be lucky to have more than 20%-26% equity vs. his range so we can happily fold.

(I'd choose to 4-bet KQo and flat with KQs as we can float on a lot more flops in position, and KQo alone is going to give us 12 combos to bluff with)

Yoshimiii said:

I think he does fold AK, AQ but not as many combinations of these than pocket pairs, one pair type hands or draws. Also what are you repping here? Why would you call a 3 bet with 79? A set if the only thing you can rep here and that's hard. I would just check/fold.

Like you said if you do barrel flop you have to fire all three streets, but it's hard to represent something here.

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This^

The line you took is not easy to believe.

It is hard to rep something here.

What is your image at this table? If you are willing to triple barrel with air, you might have been caught already a few times?

FWIW I think villain is giving you enough rope to hang yourself. That is why he is check calling. I could be wrong..... I think villain has an overpair or strong made hand.

EDIT: I read the rest of the thread just now. 6-7 villain had? Wow. He sure had a good read on you. All the more reason to assume you may have been playing laggy....?

baudib1 said:

Deco said:

I'd hate 4betting KQs here, it's pretty much the top of my flatting range would be an awful waste to have it 5bet.

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As mentioned, our default should be to 4-bet/GII with JJ+ or TT+. If we don't want to waste our monsters by 4-betting them, as mentioned here, because he folds too much, we should be

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Flatting KQs isn't the same as flatting JJ+. If we 4bet KQs it's as a bluff, if we 4bet JJ+ it's for value, we will be calling or shoving over any 5bet we face so the hands are not 'wasted'.

baudib1 said:

If we choose to 4-bet bluff, then KQ is going to be pretty much the nut hand to do it with as it blocks more combos of QQ+/AK than any other hand. And if we get 5-bet, it's only KQ, we'll be lucky to have more than 20%-26% equity vs. his range so we can happily fold.

(I'd choose to 4-bet KQo and flat with KQs as we can float on a lot more flops in position, and KQo alone is going to give us 12 combos to bluff with)

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This is why I don't 4bet KQs, I think 4betting any KQs/ATs/KJs hand would be terrible when KQo/ATo/KJo achieve the same function yet aren't super strong hands to flat. (I generally flat KQo though)