$50 NLHE 6-max: Standard or Leaky?

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$50 NL HE 6-max: Standard or Leaky?

SB= 18/15/38 (300 hands)
3bet= 5.8%


Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (CO): $52.50 (105 bb)
BTN: $22.35 (44.7 bb)
SB: $57.05 (114.1 bb)
BB: $164.20 (328.4 bb)
UTG: $51.85 (103.7 bb)
MP: $52.45 (104.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with 9:heart: 9:club:
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, BTN folds, SB raises to $6.50, BB folds, Hero calls $4.50

Flop: ($13.50) J:spade: 4:club: 6:spade: (2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($29.50) Q:diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $15, Hero folds
 
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Looks ok to me, I just don't see how you can continue after the queen comes and he bets the turn. You could make an argument for folding preflop, although you might want to take a look at thier 3bet by position to see where it stands. Theres quite a few players out there that are especially 3bet happy from the blinds, even more so than on the button, but sometimes they are the opposite.
 
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Calling preflop seems fine, as 38% AFq seems kinda high-ish, and we could get him to barrel too much postflop. Flop seems standard, turn fold seems standard.

If you were on the button, and he 3-bet more like 7.5%, then you're in profitable 4-bet/call-shove territory (for more, read the HEM article). But as is, I think its a bit spewy to 4-bet this pre, unless the dynamic is such that its a good time for him to 3-bet you light.
 
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Thanks all.
Was the preflop decision I was wondering about.

I tend to do this with JJ-99 and peel any non A/K flop.
I've just been fearing it isn't a very EV plus line as he's making more when he hits than we do when he misses.
Although hitting our set when they hit may make up abit of that money lost.
 
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I disagree with above and think it is a leak.

Calling pf with small pairs just puts us in reverse equity spots like this where our equity isn't great to begin with, then drops lower and lower as the hand goes on. It also makes it really easy to bluff against if villain knows these hands are in our range.

I understand you're grouping 99 with TT/JJ. Just out of feel I think 99 flops significantly less equity than TT/JJ on average and should be included in the small pairs category.

If you're flatting your middling pairs (not good enough to stack pf, not bad enough to fold), I think it should be with the intention of playing the hand pretty sticky. It also helps to have a good read on your opponent to know when/where to call down; I think if you've got a small sample and/or are readless, playing 4bet/call or folding pf is much better.

I think it's definitely a spot that's debated among better player than ourselves too, so I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

If you were on the button, and he 3-bet more like 7.5%, then you're in profitable 4-bet/call-shove territory
How so? %7.5 is 55/45 against us, and that's only his 3bet range, not his stronger 5bet range...I guess this means he has to fold a ton, like up to JJ and AQo, right? Not sure that happens often enough, but even so I'm pretty surprised it's that close down at %7.5 3bet.
 
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How so? %7.5 is 55/45 against us, and that's only his 3bet range, not his stronger 5bet range...I guess this means he has to fold a ton, like up to JJ and AQo, right? Not sure that happens often enough, but even so I'm pretty surprised it's that close down at %7.5 3bet.
Because when you're on the button, the blinds 3-bet 1.4 times more often (on average) than their normal 3-bet frequency according to the HEM article. That would put his 3-bet % in the BB or SB up to 10.5%, which is the required amount to stack 99 profitably preflop. AQs is at like 8%, AQo is like 9%. TT is 8% as well, IIRC.

Fire up HEM, hit the articles tab, and read the "Facing a preflop 3-bet" article. They have a really good section on 4-betting, and what players ranges are like. When I was playing 6-max, I had a lot of these ranges memorized, since I was stealing like 60% and I was seeing a ton of 3-bets.
 
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Yeah I looked that up after, figured that's what you meant. Kind of a silly formula given the fact that hem has positional 3bet stats :confused:
 
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Kind of a silly formula given the fact that hem has positional 3bet stats :confused:
Yeah, if you have a lot of hands on the guy, positional stats would be better. But the positional stats take longer to converge, so I just always used the formula.

I always preferred little tricks like that, using stats the converge quickly to estimate their stats for other situations.
 
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Not sure I like relying on that multiplier thing.

For one, lots of players vary between 3betting more IP than from the blinds and vice versa. Also if the sample isn't big enough for accurate positional stats I don't see how the overall 3bet would even be reliable?

Interesting though, I hadn't seen that before the HEM article.
 
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