$50 NLHE 6-max: sick river spot. basically 3rd hand in a row me and this guy playing for stacks.

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$50NL 6-max: sick river spot 200BB ESS. 3rd/5 hand in a row vil & i playing fo stacks

so the previous hands just for a bit of dynamic...

hand 1
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Hero (MP): $59.29
CO: $49.25
BTN: $67.71
SB: $69.75
BB: $28.51
UTG: $110.80

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with A
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A
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UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($3.75) Q
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2
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3
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(2 players)
UTG bets $2.50, Hero raises to $7, UTG calls $4.50

Turn: ($17.75) K
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(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $9.32, UTG calls $9.32

River: ($36.39) K
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(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $19.11, UTG raises to $92.98 all in, Hero calls $22.36 all in

Final Pot: $119.33
Hero shows A
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A
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(two pair, Aces and Kings)
UTG shows K
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Q
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(a full house, Kings full of Queens)
UTG wins $116.83
(Rake: $2.50)



was expecting to get squeezed here pre as there were two 30-40% 3b fish to act after me, hence the flat pre. flop raise IP obv. turn and river fine imo. kinda sick when he c/shoves river but i felt pot committed. he lolled at me after that hand so i expected things to start getting a bit fancy between us

hand 2
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Hero (SB): $50.00
BB: $67.71
UTG: $71.36
CO: $27.76
BTN: $167.09

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with A
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A
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2 folds, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, BTN raises to $10, Hero calls $5.50

Flop: ($20.50) J
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A
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J
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($33.50) 9
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($33.50) 9
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(2 players)
Hero bets $33.50 all in, BTN calls $33.50

Final Pot: $100.50
Hero shows A
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A
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(a full house, Aces full of Jacks)
BTN shows A
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K
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(two pair, Aces and Jacks)
Hero wins $98.00
(Rake: $2.50)

i 3b here relatively big compared to his button open, (he was opening first in 60% OTB), but i thought there was a good chance hed interpret my 3b pre as a tilt raise, so when he 4bs, i dont think this necessarily gives him a strong range at all.
c/c'ing the flop probably unideal as i only really do this with strong hands, but i didnt want to raise as again, i think hes 4bing light and weak and will fold if i put the pressure on.
i decide here to tank then (just over pot) shove the river as i feel like it looks like a fkn mega float turned bluff as the board is decently scary and he checked back the turn. i expect to get called by any ace, KK, maybe QQ, and obv any J or flush (but i srsly doubt he has a flush).



Hand 3
Would love comments on how i played this whole hand considering the previous 2 hands. will share my str by str thoughts too... villain is a decent lag 29/29, 60% stl and a 60% f3b (although by this hand it was 40% fold 3b).


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Hero (BTN): $93.39
SB: $20.00
BB: $66.96
UTG: $31.72
CO: $117.94

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with Q
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Q
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1 fold, CO raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $4.32, 2 folds, CO calls $3.07

Flop: ($9.39) 3
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6
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8
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(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $4.93, CO raises to $13.50, Hero calls $8.57

std Cbet, he raises, and i expect a lot of air here after the last 2 hands. no way is he giving me credit for a hand here 3 times in a row. i dont think villain is smart enough to think if i 3b yeti theorum applies so i just flat instead.

Turn: ($36.39) 8
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(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

i check it back here as i want to induce riverbluffs some of the time from his airballs/make his worse made hands think theyre good. 8 not really a scarecard but id say its in his range here

River: ($36.39) 4
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(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $14.99, CO raises to $100.12 all in, Hero mega tankcalls $60.58 all in

i expect him to bet pretty much all air here and when he doesnt, it makes me think he has some kind of SD value but doesnt love his hand, so i make it small to get calls from most/mix it up from the previous hand where i overbet shoved for value. im on the phone to my mate whose railing and says 'wouldnt it be sick if he shoved here?' vil insta jams.
now i have a huge problem which i hadnt previously planned for. he can have me beat here obv and is capable of c/c'ing all the way and shoving river with the best hand. hes seen me overbet shove for value last hand (was an overbet just, as rake isnt included in converter), so what is he interpreting my 1/3 bet to be here? also, he obv knows that ive seen him slowplay then check/shove the river with the nuts less than a rotation ago. he also no doubt wants to stack me/outplay me a lot more than most people right now lol


should i have called?

oh and AA, AA then QQ, yeah its nice.
 
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Normally I snap this flop vs villains raise as I expect sets to slowplay but given him lolling at you and you slowplaying AA twice (your reasons are fine imo) I think villain views you as fishy so sets raising seems standard now especially when deep as he's not going to get it in without a raise.

What is villains raise c-bet%, your history would be more useful if it had him raising light, or even had us getting out of line but each time you have both had a hand, if villain was to bluff here it could only be out of spite or tilt rather than any rational metagame. If anything your tendency to slowplay in the previous hands should deter him from bluffing here. 8s are in your range, alongside sets and AA, I'm going to fold the river, he's ran in to pretty much the bottom of your range here and I doubt he views you as someone who can fold overpairs given hand 1.

The metagame and logic dictate he never bluffs. Only thing making me think he could be bluffing is tilt from the previous hand.
 
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Normally I snap this flop vs villains raise as I expect sets to slowplay but given him lolling at you and you slowplaying AA twice (your reasons are fine imo) I think villain views you as fishy so sets raising seems standard now especially when deep as he's not going to get it in without a raise.

i expect sets to slowplay here too, and considering his playing a pretty wide range i feel i have more reason to think he has nothing here and its raising super light.
im not sure whether hed view me as fishy or not though. ive been playing pretty straightforward ABC for the previous 87 hands, stats all looking fine (i did take note of this at the time)

What is villains raise c-bet%, your history would be more useful if it had him raising light, or even had us getting out of line but each time you have both had a hand, if villain was to bluff here it could only be out of spite or tilt rather than any rational metagame. If anything your tendency to slowplay in the previous hands should deter him from bluffing here. 8s are in your range, alongside sets and AA, I'm going to fold the river, he's ran in to pretty much the bottom of your range here and I doubt he views you as someone who can fold overpairs given hand 1.

90 hands, raise cbet in reg pots 50% but only 2 samples, and 50% in 3b pots but only 2 samples lol...

The metagame and logic dictate he never bluffs. Only thing making me think he could be bluffing is tilt from the previous hand.

i agree, because i was sure i was good but when he shoved my immediate though was that it would be so retarded of him to bluff here and now i dont get to see SD.
the question is more do we think he is rage bluffing here more than not? keeping in mind that i only need to be good here 1/3 times to call profitably- (in the end i decided that villain is bluffing at least a 3rd of the time)

and also, for hand 1, valuebetting the river is a must imo. but what do we think about calling the shove? at the time i was like 'eh 5:1 i guess he can play AQ like this' but now im not really sure. i feel kinda retarded for calling lol
 
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River's a fold on QQ pending more information that he could bluff in spots like this. I'd bet the turn on AA full hand, think you're lucky to get action on that river.
 
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I'd bet the turn on AA full hand, think you're lucky to get action on that river.

i think that it would be okay to c/c flop and donk turn. this actually seems best to me now because imo hes raising all A, J, FD or air, and calling all his SD val hands- in which case he puts me in on the turn, or i put the tiny amount thats left in on the river and he only really folds air so no big deal
 
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Second hand I'd just 5bet shove. He might see as kind of a spaz and call you lighter.

Third hand I just try to get it in on the flop idgaf about yetis and shit
 
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and also, for hand 1, valuebetting the river is a must imo. but what do we think about calling the shove? at the time i was like 'eh 5:1 i guess he can play AQ like this' but now im not really sure. i feel kinda retarded for calling lol

I check back the river on hand 1. All we get value from is AQ which may even find a fold vs a line this strong.

{AQ} = 6combos
{KQ, 22, 33, QQ} = 15combos

As played it's a fold. AQ is never doing this we're beat nearly 100% of the time.
 
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Thanks deco.

And wow Gomez are you serious? Tryin to get QQ in OTF is soooooo bad
 
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Oh never mind didn't see stack sizes
 
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fwiw, villain in the QQ hand had 99 and i scooped, then proceeded to tell him hes a dick for turning a hand which is good at SD there a decent amount of the time into some monster airball bluff and putting me in a tough spot lol.

srsly wtf why would you c/shove 99s there.
 
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Sometimes people go crazy.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1905403
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BTN: $100.00
SB: $105.17
BB: $59.01
UTG: $100.50
MP: $266.16
Hero (CO): $203.45

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with A :club: A :spade:
1 fold, MP raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, 3 folds, MP raises to $30, Hero calls $21

Flop: ($61.50) 5 :spade: 2 :heart: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
MP bets $58.73, Hero calls $58.73

Turn: ($178.96) J :diamond: (2 players)
MP bets $176.16, Hero calls $114.72 all in

River: ($408.40) T :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $408.40
MP shows 7 :heart: A :heart: (high card Ace)
Hero shows A :club: A :spade: (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $405.60
(Rake: $2.80)

But ye times like the above stick in your mind because well of course it does as its retarded. Don't let it loosen your deep river raise raise calling range too much.
Congrats on the good call, he'd have successfully bluffed me in that spot. (my call in the above is obviously piss easy but still batshit crazy, me with QQ would have been a better story).
 
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Sometimes people go crazy.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1905403
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BTN: $100.00
SB: $105.17
BB: $59.01
UTG: $100.50
MP: $266.16
Hero (CO): $203.45

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with A <font color='black'>♣</font> A <font color='black'>♠</font>
1 fold, MP raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, 3 folds, MP raises to $30, Hero calls $21

Flop: ($61.50) 5 <font color='black'>♠</font> 2 <font color='red'>♥</font> 3 <font color='red'>♦</font> (2 players)
MP bets $58.73, Hero calls $58.73

Turn: ($178.96) J <font color='red'>♦</font> (2 players)
MP bets $176.16, Hero calls $114.72 all in

River: ($408.40) T <font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $408.40
MP shows 7 <font color='red'>♥</font> A <font color='red'>♥</font> (high card Ace)
Hero shows A <font color='black'>♣</font> A <font color='black'>♠</font> (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $405.60
(Rake: $2.80)

But ye times like the above stick in your mind because well of course it does as its retarded. Don't let it loosen your deep river raise raise calling range too much.
Congrats on the good call, he'd have successfully bluffed me in that spot. (my call in the above is obviously piss easy but still batshit crazy, me with QQ would have been a better story).

this hand is so unbelievably retarded lmao. was villain actually a decent player like in my hand? or had you pegged him for a mega spewfish? you played it perfect too imo.
but ye what do you do with QQ in that spot? siiiiiick

EDIT: still lolling. 4b x3 your 3b then pot flop and turn. ****ing lol
 
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I don't think villains hand is ever good at showdown there. The bluff I don't like given your image but I can see why he can rule out fullhouses and trips based on your turn check so defo don't hate it. What I do hate is his flop raise, for him to overvalue an overpair like that he is defo a fish even if his stats do look respectable, you 3bet ffs as if there are more 8s in your range than overpairs in your c-betting range nevermind your calling range!
 
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I don't think villains hand is ever good at showdown there. The bluff I don't like given your image but I can see why he can rule out fullhouses and trips based on your turn check so defo don't hate it. What I do hate is his flop raise, for him to overvalue an overpair like that he is defo a fish even if his stats do look respectable, you 3bet ffs as if there are more 8s in your range than overpairs in your c-betting range nevermind your calling range!

Very legit points but to be fair to villain, that deep and me unfortunately enough being one for ego battles 99 prob still good usually even after I call the flop raise haha
 
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fwiw, villain in the QQ hand had 99 and i scooped, then proceeded to tell him hes a dick for turning a hand which is good at SD there a decent amount of the time into some monster airball bluff and putting me in a tough spot lol.

srsly wtf why would you c/shove 99s there.

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