$50 NLHE 6-max: Shove or Call?

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$50 NL HE 6-max: Shove or Call?

SB= 53/10/35

Full Tilt, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (BB): $69.75 (139.5 bb)
MP: $63.95 (127.9 bb)
CO: $93.50 (187 bb)
BTN: $48.50 (97 bb)
SB: $54.55 (109.1 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with T:spade: 2:spade:
3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($1) 5:club: 8:spade: 6:spade: (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2

Turn: ($7) A:diamond: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4

River: ($15) 3:spade: (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero?? (SB has $37 behind)
 
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Raise preflop, because his range sucks and you can punish the ever living shit out of him postflop.

I also raise the flop like never because this smacks his limping range and he folds the flop just about never. He always has some sort of crappy draw that you dominate the hell out of (pair + straight draw, straight draw, whatever). Problem is, you're almost always behind these hands, but you are getting implied odds. So call!

River, meht, I guess there's value to be had. Jam away, because people hate folding blind vs. blind, and fish with crappy stats also fold like neva!
 
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ye I'd agree I should be raising that preflop.

Is the flop raise that bad? We build the pot so I can comfortably stack him when I hit my flush and there a minute bit of fold equity to be had.

As for the river his bet stinks of flush, most of which are higher than my own.
Against a normal player I would merely call, yet if I raise here am basicly hoping hes turned a hand into a bluff and then decides he wants to call a river raise with it.
 
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ye I'd agree I should be raising that preflop.

Is the flop raise that bad? We build the pot so I can comfortably stack him when I hit my flush and there a minute bit of fold equity to be had.

As for the river his bet stinks of flush, most of which are higher than my own.
Against a normal player I would merely call, yet if I raise here am basicly hoping hes turned a hand into a bluff and then decides he wants to call a river raise with it.
Fish will often donk out, because they don't want to be weak and call a bet when the flush hits. But often they'll convince themselves you're bluffing and call with whatever pair they happen to have. Sure, he'll have a bigger flush a good portion of the time, but I don't think it'll be as often as you think. Flush over flush, I just pay the guy.

No, the flop raise isn't that bad, but we're in position, so building the pot shouldn't be terribly difficult for us against a guy with a high AFq.
 
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kk Thanks for the advise.

I shoved and he had KsJs, bit of a reassurance post truth be said as I feared my shove was terrible.
 
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just smooth call here because the way he played it seems like he had a flush draw and the difficulty is deciding if his flush beats urs or not. And he cannot call a shove with any hand that u beat, possibly the 9 high flush but he can fold that aswell. Tough hand to play, great post.
 
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Maybe im a bit nitty but i never stack off with any baby flush anymore. I go for value, he made it value with the 10 buck bet. I would just call it because Axs is always possable. If i had a the king high flush id stack off with it in this spot but not the brunson. i know im probably to nitty. lmao
 
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The betting history doesnt look that he had a flush draw... I would shove here
 
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His whole line just looks like draw all the way. Then when the flush hits, he fires 2/3 pot? Really looks like a flush to me. I'd flat here, especially is he really going to call a shove with a straight or set when the flush completes then you jam? Not really. So I'd flat the river.
 
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The betting history doesnt look that he had a flush draw... I would shove here

After seeing this I guess I should explain why I said it looks like a draw.

On the flop villain led out for pot, which doesn't mean much since it was bvb no raise pre, but when hero raises, he's saying he has some kind of hand.

If villain had a real hand, basically 79/47 for the straight, or a set/overpair, he's likely going to raise right now because this board is really wet, lot's of draws out there. Instead he flat calls, basically saying, well I don't have a hand better than yours, but I might get one down the road, i.e. "I have a draw".

On the turn, now just about anyone with a real hand is going to put a raise in. If their opponent is on a draw, they have to get value now before everyone knows whether or not they missed. Instead he just flats again, so now he has to have some marginal hand or a draw. But from the flop, most hands that would be marginal now, would have been raising to protect themselves on the flop, since he didn't do that, draw still seems the most likely.

After acting like he's on a draw, a flush fills in, and for the first time he shows aggression. Now he's either put on one hell of a bluff line, or he actually hit the flush. If he doesn't have the flush here, I'd almost be sure that he was holding something with a lone 7 for the straight draw, and realized he'd played his hand as a draw and had a great opportunity to rep the flush, not a bad play imo.

So now he either has the flush or a busted draw mostly in my mind. If he has the flush, it's likely better than ours based on the spades on the board, plus if it's smaller, then he REALLY has to worry about a larger flush than his since we just shoved in the face of someone repping a flush. So even when he has that baby flush, he's not calling all the time.

If he's got the bustoed straight draw, then he's for sure not calling another cent, so there's no need to raise there.

Because of all this, I see a shove getting stuck in that situation where you get called when behind, and villain folds when you're ahead. Due to this, I'd go ahead and flat him, and even if he turns up a smaller flush, I wouldn't really think there was much more equity to be had.
 
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A lot people would of also shoved in that situation, I think you played that well but unfortunately he had you beat. That's one of the reason why I don't play hands like 10 2, 7 2, 3 9 etc.... Bad time to have a suited 10 2 on the BB, LOL. GL TC :D
 
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