$50 NLHE 6-max: Setmining, flop OESD, value in calling a second barrel?

$50 NL HE 6-max: Setmining, flop OESD, value in calling a second barrel?

Hey guys,

I was playing rush 'cause I was in the mood, and a very strange hand came up. I wanted your opinions as to whether making a call on the turn was correct play.

Cheers!

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - <a href="http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php">Hold'em Manager</a> Converter Tool from <a href="http://www.flopturnriver.com">FlopTurnRiver.com</a><br>
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Button ($67.55)<br>
SB ($78.20)<br>
BB ($105.60)<br>
UTG ($98.20)<br>
MP ($50)<br>
Hero (CO) ($43.80)<br>
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<b>Preflop</b>: Hero is CO with 4<img src="http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif">, 4<img src="http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif"><br>
<font color=#666666><i>1 fold</i></font>, <font color=#CC3333>MP bets $1.75</font>, Hero calls $1.75, Button calls $1.75, <font color=#666666><i>2 folds</i></font><br>
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<b>Flop</b>: ($6) 5<img src="http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif">, 3<img src="http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif">, 6<img src="http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif"> <font color=#009B00>(3 players)</font><br>
<font color=#CC3333>MP bets $3.50</font>, Hero calls $3.50, <font color=#666666><i>1 fold</i></font><br>
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<b>Turn</b>: ($13) 8<img src="http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif"> <font color=#009B00>(2 players)</font><br>
<font color=#CC3333>MP bets $8</font><br>
HERO???????????

What's our plan for missed rivers (which will be the case more than 3/4 of the time)? Are we going to call down? Are we planning on betting any cards that don't complete a straight or a set? If the river is a broadway, are we folding?

I like a flop raise more than a turn call.

P.S. Something got screwed up - I think you need to choose a different format option when converting using that converter, I think 2p2 works.

Hero's hand is 4c4s, Hero calls MP open, as does BTN.

Flop ($6) is 5s3d6h, MP bets $3.50, Hero calls, BTN folds

Turn ($13) is 8c, MP bets $8, Hero ???

Flop raise works for me as well. On that board it may control the pot and get you a cheaper draw to the river, as most villains would check the turn fearing a set without an overpair here. I don't think just calling is bad either though.

On the turn you can definitely call, your implied odds are fine so I think it's a +EV call even if you play fit/fold on river. But if you know villain can double barrel some A x hand here, you can also shove, I'm not that good with running numbers but I think you'd have decent fold equity.

I think it's tough to bluff the river here though, logically the implied odds mean you expect to get called should the straight complete so bluffing a blank river would be a complete turn-around and won't seem believable enough.

Fold the turn.

Your implied odds are almost non-existent.

I like the flop call.

thepokerkid123 said:

Fold the turn.

Your implied odds are almost non-existent.

I like the flop call.

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I think I had miscalculated the pot odds for the call so yes impossible to get implied odds up that much. My bad.

Sit with max buyin

You have no implied odds because villain will shut down on a 4 card straight board anyways so unless you're getting direct pot odds to call, it's gonna be -ev.