$50 NLHE 6-max: River Decision

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$50 NLHE 6-max: River Decision

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 24/18/2.7 over 1000+ hands

Party, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (BB): $54.37
UTG: $33.46
CO: $53.62
BTN: $55.92
SB: $24.29

Pre-Flop: 7
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7
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dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.25, SB folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) T
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4
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7
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(2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2, Hero raises to $6.50, BTN calls $4.50

Turn: ($15.75) 8
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(2 Players)
Hero bets $7.50, BTN calls $7.50

River: ($30.75) 5
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(2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $40.67 and is All-In,


Got into a really strange spot where i felt confused as hell as to where i stood in this hand.

Villian is a good reg who had taken down a massive pot with a flopped straight on another table. Notes i had on him was he raised a donk bet on a Q high flop with AK against a fish.

So was the turn play weak on my part and what to do on the river?
 
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Is villain ambitious enough to turn Ac Tx or Qc Qx into a bluff here thinking you'll fold better? At these stakes I'd assume not.

I don't really see a particular bluff he could have outside of 98 here (which gains showdown value which most of the time discourages people from bluffing) and I'd have to assume with his overbet river shove his range is polarized to 5 card hands and bluffs.

On the other hand your play does look incredibly weak from the weak turn bet and river check, so an observant villain could see this as a steal opportunity. He is also very likely to 4 bet the flop if we indeed does have Ac Jc, Ac Qc or Ac Kc.... I'd still probably fold bc of the above though.

As far as the turn goes I would much rather either check call, or make a real bet. I think by doing this, it will discourage villain from bluffing the river as it looks like we are check calling the river if we do check.
 
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Don't set-mine against loose opponents raising from the button? I still may call with sevens, but I think 3-betting is something to consider here. A button range is going to have a lot of hands that play very well against a fit/fold set flopping strategy, and we don't have a ton of implied odds.

If this were pocket 5's or lower, I think it'd be an automatic 3-bet or fold spot. Here its a little trickier, but I think preflop deserves some attention.

I deffo raise the flop larger, and I'm tempted to check/bomb the turn as well. The turn makes the board just crazy drawy, and we're only beat by flushes (and we have solid equity against those). So once the board gets really draw, I just want to get the money in stat.
 
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im with c9 and probably 3bet pre. Flop I think I make it around 8 and try to get it all in
 
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I'd be real surprised if the villain didn't have a flush draw when cards got shown. He is either has two suited overcards or some sort of combo draw with a straight and flush. In my mind he knows you have a set after you raised the flop, and he called your turn bet to play it safe and make sure the board didn't pair before he shoved the river.

It's such a tough spot that I might end up folding due to those possible draws that have you beat. Do you think he would bluff off his whole stack when he knows you have lots of strength?
 
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Is villain ambitious enough to turn Ac Tx or Qc Qx into a bluff here thinking you'll fold better? At these stakes I'd assume not.

I don't really see a particular bluff he could have outside of 98 here (which gains showdown value which most of the time discourages people from bluffing) and I'd have to assume with his overbet river shove his range is polarized to 5 card hands and bluffs.

On the other hand your play does look incredibly weak from the weak turn bet and river check, so an observant villain could see this as a steal opportunity. He is also very likely to 4 bet the flop if we indeed does have Ac Jc, Ac Qc or Ac Kc.... I'd still probably fold bc of the above though.

As far as the turn goes I would much rather either check call, or make a real bet. I think by doing this, it will discourage villain from bluffing the river as it looks like we are check calling the river if we do check.


The only bluff i could find in his range was 89 too. If he had a 6 it would be A6c and im sure he would have jammed the flop after my c/r.

(this was after looking at the hand afterwards)

With my weak turn bet i hoped he'd raise me on with any decent high club or two pair like 10 8 78, any good made hand that couldn't handle the wet board.

But i think in hind sight a check call or a bigger bet should have been my play, leaning towards the bet bigger.

As for the river, he seen me bet smallish on the turn looking weak with a one pair hand or two pair, why would he over bet if he wanted a call from me to continue with worse?

Just some thoughts i had when i looked back at the hand.

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3 bettings 7's is something i border line on, but maybe in this situation against this villian who's perceived range hit this pretty hard would have folded pre and left me without having to play oop which sucks ass.
 
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Don't think that because he won a big pot with a straight he's a good player. Or that he raised a donk bet - that's a super standard thing at 25nl now.

Think of it this way : If he's a good player and he thought you had a set, he would never, ever, ever shove with worse there. Because nobody folds sets and he would know it.

So you are contradicting yourself in a sense, either he's a good player and has you beat, or he's aggressive-bad and shoves a missed draw there. You have no evidence of the latter, so just fold.
 
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Turn

Under the circumstances here, I guess I have to make the call. Unfortunately we should have done more on the turn to define his hand. We lead out for half the pot which he almost certainly had to call with alot of possible hands. I think more in likely he is making a move on us based on our weak lead out on the turn. Based on how the hand has played out, I might be getting stacked here...LizaBuv
 
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Don't think that because he won a big pot with a straight he's a good player. Or that he raised a donk bet - that's a super standard thing at 25nl now.

Think of it this way : If he's a good player and he thought you had a set, he would never, ever, ever shove with worse there. Because nobody folds sets and he would know it.

So you are contradicting yourself in a sense, either he's a good player and has you beat, or he's aggressive-bad and shoves a missed draw there. You have no evidence of the latter, so just fold.[/

I mentioned he had won a massive pot which was 3 way because I thought it was good information to no because this can make players a little spewy, ie calling marginal hands to make hero calls.

The 1000 hands I have on him tell me he's good.

Why would one hand define a player? Why would you think it would?
 
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Don't think that because he won a big pot with a straight he's a good player. Or that he raised a donk bet - that's a super standard thing at 25nl now.

Think of it this way : If he's a good player and he thought you had a set, he would never, ever, ever shove with worse there. Because nobody folds sets and he would know it.

So you are contradicting yourself in a sense, either he's a good player and has you beat, or he's aggressive-bad and shoves a missed draw there. You have no evidence of the latter, so just fold.[/

I mentioned he had won a massive pot which was 3 way because I thought it was good information to no because this can make players a little spewy, ie calling marginal hands to make hero calls.

The 1000 hands I have on him tell me he's good.

Why would one hand define a player? Why would you think it would?

I don't, but you seemed to say he was good b/c of that hand.

Well with 1K hands you can look at his river aggression, his W$SD etc. to get a bit more info. But I stand by what I said, if he thought you had a set he wouldn't bluff you unless he is a maniac
 
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