$50 NLHE 6-max: planning to check/give up, then he bets!?

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The guy looks kinda reggy and this is an obvious float spot, thoughts on c/r? I know I dont really rep anything but nor does he when he bets that turn.


Prima, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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UTG: $73.91 (147.8 bb)
MP: $58.81 (117.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $81 (162 bb)
BTN: $62.48 (125 bb)
SB: $82.12 (164.2 bb)
BB: $97.84 (195.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
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2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 8
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5
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A
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, BTN calls $1.75

Turn: ($7.25) A
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, Hero raises to $11,
 
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I would have double barrel turn or just check fold on turn, c/r on turn I don't like it.
 
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I only like this line with significant reads/history. If you know he is going to float this flop a ton and bet when you check, it's fine. If you have history with the guy, including a lot of "FU, floater" spots, it's pretty cool.

Otherwise this line looks so FOS he's liable to look you up with any pair and jam air if he's good.
 
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would you prefer a double then chris or just c/f

he folds air but wouldnt probs fold any pairs above 9s or 8x
 
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I tend to give up here but I'm not sure that's optimal vs. a reggy guy. If I were playing myself I'd DB probably because I never fold a flop.
 
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I would prefer a GS or something before doing this, and assuming he calls (cos we know what we are doing to a jam), what is your plan for the river?
 
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I would prefer a GS or something before doing this, and assuming he calls (cos we know what we are doing to a jam), what is your plan for the river?

probably sigh and either shove or c/f depending on the card, be interesting if it was a Q or T :)
 
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I know I dont really rep anything but nor does he when he bets that turn.

Why is can he not rep Ax?
Seems like a pretty standard bet including the small sizing given your check.

I check/fold turn. This is probably the worst card in the deck to barrel as the under-pairs we hope to fold have had no overcards come and now have less aces to fear. We have no reads to suggest villain floats and we've just gone and assumed it based on the dry flop which imo is not a standard float spot.
 
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Floating is best done with a bit of equity for when villain actually holds a good hand. Axx flops guarantee our unpaired airballs little to no equity vs a pair of aces. Also a CO opening range is going to have an absolute shitload of Axo hands. Lastly the weaker Ax hands may c/c the turn which is a pain in the arse. Not saying it's a terrible floating spot or nothing just that it's far from standard.
 
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Floating is best done with a bit of equity for when villain actually holds a good hand. Axx flops guarantee our unpaired airballs little to no equity vs a pair of aces. Also a CO opening range is going to have an absolute shitload of Axo hands. Lastly the weaker Ax hands may c/c the turn which is a pain in the arse. Not saying it's a terrible floating spot or nothing just that it's far from standard.

its a good spot to float because people arent going to double Ax boards without Ax as often
 
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Agreed on the double barrels but it's not standard as say Kxx/Qxx/Jxx.
On average I open {A8o+, A2s+} from the CO. This is 10% of all possible preflop hands!!
Meanwhile I open {KJo+, KTs+} from the CO for 3.5% of hands.


Add to this that the CO may check/call his underpairs, he may hit something on the turn which will c/c, he may c/c his weaker aces, CO may be Jurn and think "This is a standard floating spot I'm going to double barrel" ;), CO may have a read you float, the equity problems Axx boards bring and your looking at a pretty marginal floating spot even if the double barrels you face our rarer. Check/calls are more detrimental than double barrels as we lose more money.
 
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Out of interest why can't it be Ax? Or are you just saying its a smaller part of his range?
 
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What range are you tring to rep AQ+,QQ+,sets
 
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Out of interest why can't it be Ax? Or are you just saying its a smaller part of his range?

i haven't said he cant have Ax lol, its just due to combos there are only 2 aces left in the deck.

What range are you tring to rep AQ+,QQ+,sets

i didnt think it mattered because he reps a narrow range when betting imo
 
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i haven't said he cant have Ax lol, its just due to combos there are only 2 aces left in the deck.



i didnt think it mattered because he reps a narrow range when betting imo
So do you.I wouldn't think you would c/r with Ax yourself,you wouldn't c/r with JJ,QQ,KK.
So your range is purely polarized correct?Sets or air
 
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I dont like ch/r really here, looks like a good line to take against habitual floaters just the A is a bad card for it imo when we know his range is likely pocket pairs and floaty stuff. Might be a good line to take when you actually have the A against this type of guy as it really looks FOS to me.

Even ch/calling the turn and donking the river would look stronger and more like a legit A.

I still think theres gonna be better flops to make moves like this, dont have to win every pot.
 
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I dont really rep anything but nor does he when he bets that turn.

i haven't said he cant have Ax lol, its just due to combos there are only 2 aces left in the deck.

I mistook this to mean you didn't think he'd take that line with Ax as well tbf.
But ye just because the board pairs doesn't mean Ax is suddenly super rare especially in a CO vs BTN flat.

{AT-AQ} = 20 combos alone.
Many villains less nitty than myself will likely throw in a few weaker sooted aces as well, which if C9 is to be believed is a lot :p
 
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