€50 NLHE 6-max: Obvious fold or not?

iPoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 99.62 BB (VPIP: 29.65, PFR: 21.68, 3Bet Preflop: 4.12, hands: 231)
UTG: 116.42 BB (VPIP: 42.96, PFR: 25.30, 3Bet Preflop: 4.32, Hands: 437)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 173.76 BB (VPIP: 23.71, PFR: 19.59, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 97)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.90, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 4.46, Hands: 262)
SB: 100.98 BB (VPIP: 51.67, PFR: 21.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:spade: A:diamond:

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (22.5 BB, 2 players) 4:spade: K:diamond: Q:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets 15.74 BB, UTG calls 15.74 BB

Turn: (53.98 BB, 2 players) 7:club:
UTG checks, Hero bets 30 BB, UTG raises to 90.18 BB and is all-in, Hero ??

He has 44/QQ or maybe KQs since he seems a very loose player?? I did see him set mining OOP previously. He is a calling station but doesn't raise with garbage.

Should I have bet the turn? Obvious fold or am I too committed? I really have trouble folding non-bluff hands when I have put in more than 50% of my stack. Am I completely wrong in thinking like that? What is your definition of being pot committed?

Nice hand. Stop second guessing your play. It's an obvious call.

The bet on turn is good,and same for the fold,when she check/raise shove the turn probabily a set like you said 44.Here you`re not commited,you can still fold...when you investing something like 80 % from you`re stack than you are commited.

c9h13no3 said:

Nice hand. Stop second guessing your play. It's an obvious call.

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Obvious call?

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since Villain had more chips than you to start out with, it should be

73.76 BB to call into a pot of 157.74, or 2.14:1 pot odds to call.

You said Villain was a loose player - I'd say that works more in your favor here because a LAG is more likely to shove with less of a hand than a TAG. There are no flush or straight draw possibilities on this board either, so likely hands that beat you, like you said, would be 44,QQ, KQs also, since you said he is loose, I could see him flatting your 3-bet pre with this.

Don't forget about hands like JcTc though. He could be shoving these as well, and you are ahead 2:1 against the OESD and flush draw of that. It is also a possibility that this guy is on a semi-bluff like Ac4c.


I'd say overall the majority of hands he is shoving with he has you beat, but since you are already halfway committed to this pot, I think you should be calling here. If I have TPTK here like you do and am faced with a re-raise all in, I tend to call as long as I am at least halfway committed (which, you are).

Thinker_145 said:

Obvious call?

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With this stack to pot ratio, against a drooler, TPTK is a fist-pump call.

He could have a set or two pair. There are also a ton of draws he can have too. With his high VPIP I would assume there is a good chance he is bluffing. Not always the case, but given the information I would think so. A strong portion of his bluffing range will be 4x with clubs and Kx with clubs. Also, any clubs with a str8 opportunity as well. He could even do this with just pure clubs though that would be more unlikely. There are so many possibilities that you should be more than happy getting it in.

Ah that feels good then. I did call and he showed 44 so I wanted to get opinions if it was bad play on my part or not.

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At this level... Easy fold here.

You're commited, I think he's getting it in wide enough for a call to be pretty standard.

By the looks, I think youre underdog going on the river.

You can still save chips though.

Based on your read it seems like a pretty easy fold. He's probably 4-betting AK a decent percentage of the time, and he's probably not check/jamming TJ which is perhaps still in his range because of your read. So nothing else really makes sense other than you're maybe splitting or beat.

As far as your questions, should I have bet the turn, are you committed. Against someone like this, and the fact it's an UTG open and 3-bet, I don't mind a turn check. Move the hand over a spot or two, and I'm leaning more towards a turn bet. Being committed defers from opponent to opponent. I don't think you're committed here. You have 1/2 your stack in, but your best case scenario is you're splitting. He doesn't seem like a total drooler, so he should know you've put a lot in, and at those points, the shove range is going to get much stronger. I wouldn't be surprised to see QQ/AA at showdown.

With drawing hand, check raising the turn is not a wise action as you have already committed. So, the villain is not bluffing or semi bluffing here.

John A said:

He doesn't seem like a total drooler

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Am I missing something? Maybe not a total drooler, but a 43/25 shouldn't be given anywhere near this kind of respect.

c9h13no3 said:

Am I missing something? Maybe not a total drooler, but a 43/25 shouldn't be given anywhere near this kind of respect.

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Well, that's the primary crux of the issue right? If he's a big drooler, then likely bet/call is ideal. But based on OP's read of him being a calling station, but doesn't raise with garbage, I wouldn't have him in the drooler category myself. I think we've all played against these guys that like to get in a lot of pots, but they are neither completely incompetent, nor total aggro donks post flop. That seems to find the opponent here imho.