$50 NLHE 6-max: Line check OOP with 2p on flush and straight board

No notes on villain, so apart from his basic stats over 53 hands (87/2/2) we can only assume he's pretty awful. As for range preflop, as you can see, pretty much ATC. We might imagine that he likes to call, because he hasn't folded his BB once so far. Much beyond that, nothing specific.

poker stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

BB: $51.75
UTG: $129.36
CO: $18.22
BTN: $60.97 - 87/2/2, FBB 0%, 53 hands.
Hero (SB): $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with Q J
2 folds, BTN calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.50) Q 6 J (2 players)
Hero bets $3.15, BTN calls $3.15

Turn: ($10.80) T (2 players)
Hero bets $5.75, BTN calls $5.75

River: ($22.30) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10, Hero calls $10


How would you have played this hand, and assuming you get this far, do you b/f, c/c or c/f the river?

Probably bet bigger on the flop. Bigger on turn (bet/fold). Bet/fold river.

As played I call.

WVHillbilly said:

Bigger on turn (bet/fold).

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This stands out to me the most now looking back. I was always bet/folding, but I should have made it bigger for sure.

WVHillbilly said:

Bet/fold river.

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This is one of the things I am still not sure about. I know bet/folding is our bread and butter, but surely there isn't a lot that can call here that we beat? A queen and a jack are unlikely holdings for him. However, the straight is hard to make (K9/89/AK even since he obv doesn't raise pre), but the flush is easily possible.

WVHillbilly said:

As played I call.

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I'm glad to hear that, because I do tend to make thin calls, however, when I made this one, I wondered whether it was a call too far. For me, he can have a lot of air here, especially big hearts and missed straights (or just random shit he was floating me with).

You only need to be good ~25% on the river and he has EVERYTHING in his range including random shit 2pair like J6/67/T7/etc.

BTW I bet/fold the river only because I think he calls with any piece but might check back a J9 or Q4 type hand.

WVHillbilly said:

You only need to be good ~25% on the river and he has EVERYTHING in his range including random shit 2pair like J6/67/T7/etc.

BTW I bet/fold the river only because I think he calls with any piece but might check back a J9 or Q4 type hand.

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yep

WVHillbilly said:

BTW I bet/fold the river only because I think he calls with any piece but might check back a J9 or Q4 type hand.

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Yes, perhaps I was/am being too weak here. If I'm being honest, I just didn't want to bet and then fold... arrrggggh waht a noob! However, vs an aggro donk I'm c/c here all day long.

So bet slightly more on the flop, more on turn, b/f river. BET (bigger) / FOLD!!! I'll get there one day.

i would make it bigger pre by a bb.

postflop i bet near pot, near pot, shove. 82% of hands and no signs of aggression, i still think top 2 will be good more often than not.

Actually he's omly passive preflop. An AF of 2 is borderline crazy for someone playing 80% of his hands.

I like this line vs. a tighter opponent but probably c/f river. Vs. this guy probably bet bigger all streets and b/f river, as played calling.

Yep, the consensus is in, I didn't win as much as I could have for sure.

dooydoo said:

postflop i bet near pot, near pot, shove. 82% of hands and no signs of aggression, i still think top 2 will be good more often than not.

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He may play almost all his hands pre, but that doesn't mean he's going to give me his stack post.

I played quite a lot of hands after this one (obv didn't leave the table with him on my right!) and it turns out that he appears to auto bet whenever checked to. So he's that type of aggro donk. I have made a note.

Cafeman31 said:

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He may play almost all his hands pre, but that doesn't mean he's going to give me his stack post.

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that wont stop me from trying getting stacks in with top 2.

im not sure i follow your logic. Its true that he might not stack off post even if he has a huge vpip. But why would you not try to get max value with a hand that crushes his range?

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that wont stop me from trying getting stacks in with top 2.

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Sure, top 2 is great, but we can't ignore the board completely.

dooydoo said:

im not sure i follow your logic. Its true that he might not stack off post even if he has a huge vpip. But why would you not try to get max value with a hand that crushes his range?

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My thinking at the time was, because his range pre is so weak, I need to bet smaller to get worse to call. IMO max value doesn't necessarily mean pot/pot/shove, but rather betting an amount that will get calls from worse hands. In this case, I agree, I could/should have bet more on flop and turn at the very least, but pot/pot/shove probably isn't very realistic here.