$50 NLHE 6-max: Line check - best turn action against lagtard

$50 NL HE 6-max: Line check - best turn action against lagtard

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 70/20/6

Stats over 40 hands or so.

Villain is betting all flops when first to act or checked to. He's been taking down a fair number of small pots, and he hasn't gone to showdown yet.

The bets are so stupidly small that I have no idea what he's doing - doesn't look like AQ/KQ/QT/J9/two pair/sets. So I raised (partly because I was irritated that his bets were so small) and he folded, and I made $10.

Should I have called the turn and shoved the river?

poker stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (MP): $50.75 (101.5 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)
BTN: $61.60 (123.2 bb)
SB: $23.35 (46.7 bb)
BB: $79.30 (158.6 bb)
UTG: $80.40 (160.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with Ts Td
UTG raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.75, 4 folds, UTG calls $3.25

Flop: ($10.25) Qd 4s Tc (2 players)
UTG bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($14.25) 6h (2 players)
UTG bets $3.50, Hero raises to $18, UTG folds

Results: $21.25 pot ($1 rake)
Hero mucked Ts Td (three of a kind, Tens) and won $20.25 ($10 net)

3-bet so much larger preflop. This guy is going to see any flop, so just pump it to like $7.50-$9 or so preflop.

I kinda like calling the turn, and just jamming all in on any non-J river. Slowplaying is usually pretty bad, especially in 3-bet pots, but I think this guy has so much air in his range, and will bet like 120% of it on the river. Also, if he hits an K or A, he's insta-stacking off, but he won't ship it with king high. So not only do we let him bet his air again, but we can allow him to "catch up" and make a hand that he'll stack with. And I bet he'd probably call a shove on an A river with Qx, since he's bad. So we don't really have to worry about action killing cards other than a J.

By raising the turn, you probably forgoe another microbet on the river, but meht, losing a $4 river bet isn't a big sin.

So yeah, I think the biggest mistake in the hand is not 3-betting larger preflop.

Cool - it didn't occur to me to vary pf betsizing based on villain type, definitely something I will play around with. I recently took some advice from one of Jurn's threads (from dsvw and wvhillbilly, I think) to vary opening pf raise size based on position (smaller from stealing positions, larger from value positions), which has been paying off for me. This adds another dimension to play with, thanks.

I'd have raised the flop for value.
Their as loose as the night is dark so I wanna get the cash in.
Gutshots any queen and probably even a few pocketpairs and bear aces will call us here.
I think bloating this pot is more important than chipping off his micro bets.

when you spot bad players like this who micro-bet every street, keep in mind that they usually have a drawing hand or complete air

Deco said:

I'd have raised the flop for value.

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Villain almost always has air, or a hand like 88 when he donks the flop ultra-small. Raising almost always gets a fold (hence why I raise this bet whenever I have air). I'd rather call here, and give him an opportunity to do something really stupid on the river. We have position, and this guy isn't going to think about bet sizing, so bloating the pot isn't really an issue, because we don't need to get the money in by making pot sized bets. We can just shove it all in on the last street and expect to be called by any queen or better.

Oh, and slyc, don't show that villain folds. That's the same thing as showing the results of the hand.

c9h13no3 said:

Oh, and slyc, don't show that villain folds. That's the same thing as showing the results of the hand.

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Oops, point taken...

I actually like raising flop super small. I minraise it or make it like 2.5x vs spazzy villains like this. He's literally never folding to a minraise and is much more likely to spaz out on further streets i think. I also dont understand why c9 is advocating not jamming a J river if he bets again. AK and 89 are a super super small part of his range. I think with the J falling would make just as many 2 pair hands as straights.

bw07507 said:

I also dont understand why c9 is advocating not jamming a J river if he bets again. AK and 89 are a super super small part of his range. I think with the J falling would make just as many 2 pair hands as straights.

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I just think a J on the river wouldn't be an insta-shove. Also, you say that its likely to make 2 pair hands, but I doubt this guy has a pair. When he donks the flop like this, its pretty indicative of 3rd pair or weak draws, and I don't think there's a lot of JT/QJ/KJ/J9 stuff in his range.

So if a J hits on the river, and he tanks a bit & bets out huge, I'm not sure I'd be super happy about shoving my chips in. But if a J hits and he micro bets the river again, then I'd be pretty happy shoving. I think the jack is just the only card in the deck that doesn't make the river an insta-fistpump shove, and it'd require a bit more finesse to deal with.