€50 NLHE 6-max: How would you proceed in this deep stacked hand facing flop check raise?

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€50 NLHE 6-max: How would you proceed in this deep stacked hand facing flop check raise?

Obviously we are up against a fish but he hasn't been too spewy from the little I have seen on the table and does fold to multiple bets.

iPoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 217.88 BB (VPIP: 81.13, PFR: 18.87, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, hands: 55)
Hero (BTN): 286.62 BB
SB: 118.48 BB (VPIP: 19.99, PFR: 13.94, 3Bet Preflop: 6.07, Hands: 1,731)
BB: 89.02 BB (VPIP: 56.00, PFR: 44.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 25)
UTG: 159.54 BB (VPIP: 20.26, PFR: 16.80, 3Bet Preflop: 5.57, Hands: 13,295)
MP: 195.62 BB (VPIP: 23.03, PFR: 17.55, 3Bet Preflop: 6.20, Hands: 10,516)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:heart: A:spade:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO raises to 8 BB, Hero raises to 28.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 20.5 BB

Flop: (61.5 BB, 2 players) 3:spade: K:heart: 3:club:
CO checks, Hero bets 36.9 BB, CO raises to 73.8 BB, Hero ?

Are you excited about this situation or are you worried? Do you call or 3 bet?
 
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Against an 81/19, you stack off and like it. You could also 4-bet shove here, as your opponent isn't really looking at stack size, and can't fold his pretty cards.
 
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Against an 81/19, you stack off and like it. You could also 4-bet shove here, as your opponent isn't really looking at stack size, and can't fold his pretty cards.
You mean 4 bet shove pre flop??
 
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Ofc he does.

Could be a good case where our fishy has been running hot and is getting carried away thinking he's untouchable :)

They say raise as high as your villain will call... If you think he would then you can justify it.
 
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I have no specific read to suggest that he would call a shove pre with just an 8BB 3 bet. If he has a monster I am leaving out room for him to 5 bet anyways.

Pre this is a dream situation and shoving it would just be wasteful in my opinion.
 
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Yeh but its pretty awkward spot here
 
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Call as played (and without any info/reads beyond what's already provided). Clicking it back is a mildly interesting alternative but we have position and we're not very deep anymore at that juncture either so I'm not going to try and get cute there.
 
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Aces are a great hand to take down some small pots, very rarely will you take down a big one.
His hand feels like either AK or KK maybe QK? (So unlikely), but I still don't think you fold here. I either 4bet a bit bigger pre flop, or maybe even get it in? I get you're super deep stacked so getting it in will be such a waste, but it's still a win! You haven't got a huge sample size for this dude since its only been 55 hands.

You can do a super tight nit fold on that flop if you want, I wouldn't judge you for it, we're ideally up against 2 hands like I said, but I also wouldn't hate you just shoving over the top. it totally comes down to the kind of player you are.
 
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I have no specific read to suggest that he would call a shove pre with just an 8BB 3 bet. If he has a monster I am leaving out room for him to 5 bet anyways.

Pre this is a dream situation and shoving it would just be wasteful in my opinion.
Getting his stack is not wasteful.

You're playing no limit, not pot limit. There are times when you should bet more than pot, and this is one. At the very least, 4-bet to 70 bb's so you can shove the rest of your stack in on the flop. This player isn't thinking about odds, you have the nuts, and getting 200 bb'S from 2% of his range is better than 30 bb's from 6%.
 
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kinda obviously just shove waste of time posting it on here
 
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Flat flop and get it in on turns. Idk about 4 bet shipping 250bbs over an 8bb 3bet. People think that fish are mentally retarded but they are not. With that said, a big fat 4 bet wouldn't be bad, but shipping is going to cost you money in the long term.
 
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He's a pretty bad fish, he's going to over value Kx. Most fish won't CR flopped boats either... they'd sloooow play. So I like calling IP and shipping almost all turns.
 
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I would never ever fold on this board against this specific type of player. AA ist almost ever good and I would commit the entire stack. The only question is how to do it: Getting it on the flop or slowplay and ship it on the turn? This depends on your reads. Is he capable of a total bluff? Then you should lean towards slowplaying. Is he only plaing Kx like this? Then it shouldn't really matter. I personally would go for the flop raise, because he could even overvalue pairs like 44-QQ because he doesn't believe you. This pairs might face an overcard on the turn. I know, normal players don't think like that, but he's a fish..If he has a pair below top pair, he's much more likely to get it in now than on the turn.
 
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kinda obviously just shove waste of time posting it on here
Sorry buddy I have not yet cracked 50NL so situations like these are quite a big deal for me. You are right that maybe if this was 20NL I wouldn't have been nervous about this as I am a good winner at that stake. I know its all about BB but we can't be totally immune to the real money factor not at least when moving up a stake.
 
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I called/called/called(all in) and Villain buried himself with K6. So I believe a titanic pre flop raise may not have worked out.
 
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This is one of those plays that betting puts you in a tough spot. I think you SHOULD'VE checked back on the paired board, because he isnt leading out if he has a 3. Since you did lead out and he raises, you can peel ONCE since you have position. If he checks the turn then he doesnt have it. and i would check call it down.
 
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This is one of those plays that betting puts you in a tough spot. I think you SHOULD'VE checked back on the paired board, because he isnt leading out if he has a 3. Since you did lead out and he raises, you can peel ONCE since you have position. If he checks the turn then he doesnt have it. and i would check call it down.

Against this type of fish, I'm 3-barreling for value. He's not letting go of a King here, and if he has KK then nh. Despite his high VPIP, his PFR and 3-bet %'s aren't very high. He almost never has a 3 in his hand, and I don't expect a fish to be capable of 3-bet bluffing A3s. As played, I'm probably calling down with the intention to stack off unless another king rolls off and he starts going nuts.
 
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