$50 NLHE 6-max: Good fold to a lead out river bet?

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Sorry everyone, can't find a converter that works with ACR HH's. I made this a lil easier to read though.

On the flop I peg him on a diamond draw immediately. Maybe it was a wrong read, I guess a set of 8's makes sense as well. The suspicious part was how big of a bet he led out with on the river. It felt like a steal bet, but there were so many hands that could beat me.

As I look back on it and type out my thoughts, I am convinced I was beat and it looks like a pretty obvious fold. What do you all think? What do you think he could have had?

Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: Soul Searching (25).
Seat 2: ryanunc12 (101.09).
Seat 4: CanWeChop? (80).
Seat 6: LOPokertude (25).
Player LOPokertude has small blind (0.25)
Player Soul Searching has big blind (0.50)
Player ryanunc12 received card: Js9s
Player ryanunc12 calls (0.50)
Player CanWeChop? folds
Player LOPokertude calls (0.25)
Player Soul Searching checks
*** FLOP ***: [Ac 8d Jd]
Player LOPokertude checks
Player Soul Searching checks
Player ryanunc12 bets (1.18)
Player LOPokertude calls (1.18)
Player Soul Searching calls (1.18)
*** TURN ***: [Ac 8d Jd] [8c]
Player LOPokertude checks
Player Soul Searching checks
Player ryanunc12 bets (2.27)
Player LOPokertude calls (2.27)
Player Soul Searching folds
*** RIVER ***: [Ac 8d Jd 8c] [Kh]
Player LOPokertude bets (8)
Player ryanunc12 folds
Uncalled bet (8) returned to LOPokertude
Player LOPokertude mucks cards
 
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I normally play 10nl so probably not good enough to give advice to someone playing 50nl.
If I was to play this hand I would be raising J9s UTG to between 3x-4x pre flop. In a multiway pot I might fire that flop but as soon as one calls I would probably shut down unless my hand improves. For me this is an easy fold. Their are so many hands that can be beating you here. There are a few missed draws like T9 in his range but more tan likely your beat by so many hands. What type of player is he and what sort of hands does he complete the sb with? He could have QT, 88, A8, 89, K8 just to name a few.
 
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Your probably right, I should have bumped it PF. However, I had been very aggressive throughout and my PF raises were beginning to get very lil respect. I wanted to see a flop with this hand cheaply.
 
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Without being disrespectful at all, am i right in assuming you are new to online poker?

If so which im almost certain of because of your play preflop, i would recommend learning at a lower stake than nl50, games at nl50 are going to be much tougher than the live games at $1/2 live etc and i guess you will not have the basics down if you are limping in preflop at any regularity (more than 2% probably a leak in your game)

Again not being a douche or wanting to make you feel small, it just seems like the best advice i could give from what i read.

maybe the best advice you could take from this is pretty much NEVER limp in preflop, like EVER, even if you have 76s on the button and want to see a cheap flop... infact, never say you want to see a cheap flop ever again and you will probably have fixed your biggest leak. good luck


edit: disclaimer before someone gets all nit picky: there are times when it is okay to limp in, likely <2% of all spots pre
 
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Without being disrespectful at all, am i right in assuming you are new to online poker?

If so which im almost certain of because of your play preflop, i would recommend learning at a lower stake than nl50, games at nl50 are going to be much tougher than the live games at $1/2 live etc and i guess you will not have the basics down if you are limping in preflop at any regularity (more than 2% probably a leak in your game)

Again not being a douche or wanting to make you feel small, it just seems like the best advice i could give from what i read.

maybe the best advice you could take from this is pretty much NEVER limp in preflop, like EVER, even if you have 76s on the button and want to see a cheap flop... infact, never say you want to see a cheap flop ever again and you will probably have fixed your biggest leak. good luck


edit: disclaimer before someone gets all nit picky: there are times when it is okay to limp in, likely <2% of all spots pre

Actually no, I have played for years off and on, used to be quite successful too before I had to quit for over a year. No offense taken though, we all have leaks in our games and I know I need to get some rust off. After reviewing the hand, I do agree that a raise would have been the best play, but at the same time, one HH doesn't tell you how the table was playing and what my image was.

I do find it interesting that you were convinced I was a noob based on one hand though...
 
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I thought much the same thing he did. Of the 50NL players who open limp J9s, there are much more who are button clicking, losing players than there are solid winners. But I mean as poker players we do our best to infer using incomplete information and accept that we won't get it right 100% of the time. :)
 
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Pre in most games is going to be a fold. If it's a super-fishy table limp is fine I guess, but didn't see that read. And yeah what DunningKruger said is also right. I definitely think there's merit to considering building a game around open limping, but it would take a ton more work for small returns and pretty much 90% of the fish do it a lot so people sorta assume that people who open limp are new to the game. But as played pre flop's kinda meh not a huge fan but it can't be that bad. Turn though I think betting is just burning money. As played river is only way to play it.
 
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