$50 NLHE 6-max: Calling down aggro donk

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Guy was 3-betting a lot, and betting just about every street. Obviously I can 4-bet, but I don't mind playing out of position in these spots.

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NL Holdem $0.5(BB)
SB ($60.17)
BB ($63.84)
UTG ($53.65)
HJ ($16.63)
HERO ($51.45)
BTN ($58.52)

Dealt to Hero T T

UTG Folds , HJ Folds , HERO Raises To $1.75 , BTN Raises To $5 , SB Folds , BB Folds , HERO Calls $3.25

Flop ($10) 7 6 J
HERO Checks , BTN Bets $5.37 , HERO Calls $5.37

Turn ($20.74) 7 6 J 8
HERO Checks , BTN Bets $11.24 , HERO Calls $11.24

River ($43.22) 7 6 J 8 5
HERO Checks , BTN Bets $36.91 , HERO Calls $29.84
 
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If he is a maniac i do not mind at all. I called a 250BB shove with TT on a Q high board against a maniac. I would not be surprized if he had a T6.
 
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Do you actually one this hand with pair 10's ?
 
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I actually like this call better vs a balanced reg > maniac.

There are actually a number of 97, 98, 910, 9J that he plays this way (though may slow w/ 97, 98, 9J on turn) and # of spade combos. It really depends how often we think he's shoving river w/ overpairs/AJ vs bluffs - I tend to think a river shove is much more weighted towards nuts/air with a balanced reg, which means we can call.

However, with a competent LAG, I wouldn't put overpairs and AJ out of his shove range necessarily. That said, if he's a true maniac and willing to triple barrel ATC, then we have to call down.

FWIW, I think 4-betting here isn't bad. It's probably the bottom end of our polarized range but I don't mind stacking off and if we know he's triple barreling a high % we put ourself in a bad spot OOP
 
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His bet sizing got a lot bigger on the river. Is it for value with a 89,79 hand etc.? Or is it a missed flush bluff tell? I don't know really since i'm not used to seeing people 3 barrel bluff i'm leaning toward value.
 
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I think I like how you played the hand up to the river. In a vacuum situation just having a basic read of aggro donk I think I would fold river because of the amount of hands we would lose to. However the only person who could really be capable of making the right decision would be you given the reads and previous plays you have on the player. Like, is he 3betting enough to have many 9s in his range? Does he 3bet pocket pairs? If so how does he play sets? Have you seen him 3barrel an extremely wet board before and what did he show up with? Stuff like this is the kind of thing you want to be considering if you're playing the hand in a read dependent way and only you can know all the information needed.
 
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Id also be interested to know how you'd play this if villain was a TAG reg player and played it exactly the same?
 
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He was as true maniac, and I'm not sure if I love my river call or not. I think I lost the fold button on my system that hand... sometimes happens.

Any ways, he had Ks4s. Not that it matters much, but....
 
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His bet sizing got a lot bigger on the river. Is it for value with a 89,79 hand etc.? Or is it a missed flush bluff tell? I don't know really since i'm not used to seeing people 3 barrel bluff i'm leaning toward value.
Even a maniac smells you do not have it on a board like this. And that is the reason why i would call down against a 70/40 fish because he will try to get you out of the hand.
He does not know about polarized range. So his K4s means that he has a 3-bet percent bigger than 20. At least that is what i think Jhon saw. When he 3-bets with all kind of garbage and his agression postflop is up the roof, most of the time he does not have even a pair. There is no board that hits his range.
 
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Your move is okay. Your river call is force since aside from him being aggressive as you said, you put substantial money on the pot already. Betting the amount of pot is suspicious since he wants you to go away.
 
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