$50 NLHE 6-max: AK 4 bet pre gets called

youregoodmate

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 29/23/2

Over 200 hands on villain.. 3 bet is 10%

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $61.04
UTG: $23.72
MP: $50.00
CO: $52.25
BTN: $117.70
Hero (SB): $51.82

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A:club: K:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.00, Hero raises to $10.00, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($20.00, 2 players) 4:heart: 8:heart: T:diamond:
Hero bets $12.00, BB calls $12.00

Turn: ($44.00, 2 players) J:club:
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($44.00, 2 players) T:heart:
Hero checks, BB checks
 
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You're betting way too big in 4b pots in general, I noticed that in the previous hands. 1/4-1/3 pot is plenty most of the time.

In this spot though I don't even really like a cb. You have near the bottom of your range (even with a 4b bluff range especially bvb it's still pretty pair-heavy), it's a board he's folding basically never, I think it's a pretty easy check. You could argue for ch/c or ch/f I'd probably default with ch/f with no further info but I think either is fine. It also depends on how big he bets I guess too.
 
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stop betting so big in 4bet pots, you make villains decisions super easy and instead of putting a lot of his range in a tough spot you allow him to fold lots of his range unexploitably that otherwise could be in a spot to make a mistake, and you can still get stacks in super easy by the river betting smaller

edit: hackmeplz beat me to the 4bet sizing but, hackmeplz; what do you put villains range at when he calls a 4bet oop here? don't you think he has a pretty weak range in general?
 
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I only bet 60%.

So how much should we be betting in 3 and 4 bet pots? Surely 30% is too small?
 
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my standard in most boards in 4bet pots is also around 25% pot, with whole range obviously, 3bet pots its different but it can be as small as 1/3 pot depending on texture, villains range and whether or not i can get stacks in with that sizing, i think this is better than most regs strategies and you still see lots of them betting near pot which just seems retarded to me
 
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Would we not be getting raised out of the hand a lot when we bet that small?

I guess thats the mistake that we get them to make.
 
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I think a normal flat a 4b range is something like AJ/AQ/random pair-type hands then some random suited junk. I think 3b/calling most pairs is pretty awful but I see people do it all the time so I included it. The problem is the AJ/AQ-type hands are going to win the pot from us almost every time when we cbet unless we're gonna barrel off. He might fold them once in awhile to our cb especially if we make it so big but if he has a heart doubt he folds ever. A lot of random suited hands are going to have at the very least a gutshot, and most of the times have a pair or oesd, and some obviously have a FD or BDFD. Then of course once in awhile we have to put monsters in his range that he slowplayed preflop probably mostly AA I don't see people slowplay QQ/KK/AK too much.

I guess looking at his range breakdown it might be a good flop to just bet/bet/shove although again flop needs to be small enough to set that up. He's gonna have a weak pair or A high a lot and he's not going to be calling it off much ever although some people love to put you on AK and call down any pair on boards with no A or K so idk. Like I said my standard is probably just to ch/f or maybe ch/c if he makes it small enough and I don't mind barreling off, I just think betting once and giving up is going to not be very profitable.
 
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makes sense yeah, i think i put him on the same kind of weak range but probably over estimated his ability to fold here, yeah he has too many overs that wont fold, hearts that wont fold, just hands that can talk himself into calling "because we'll barrel the K etc" so yeah definitely would need to fire more than one, x/f looking good now

How do you think we should play our range here, check it all ? or split it up ? what do you think about having a check raising range here (villain does have a lot of stuff that wont want to call a x/r and AK seems like the best hand to x/r bluff that we probably have? or is this totally unneccessary? obviously just talking about game plans in general probably not worrying too much about balance at 50nl i just like thinking of spots like this
 
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Also I assume it's true for other people but I'm generally tilting a bit when I flat with my weaker hands (I don't think it's burning money but flatting 86s here probably isn't +ev) and when the flop comes without an A or K the first thing my tilting brain says is "AK just missed!"
 
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