$50 NLHE 6-max: 99 in a 4-bet/5-bet situation

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$50 NL HE 6-max: 99 in a 4-bet/5-bet situation

Ok this guy was 14/8 with infinite AF but I only had 50 hands on him, but his 3-bet percentage was 7% and he'd already 3-bet me, and the guy on the left of me was a real calling station, so he was bound to call with a huge range, and I was opening from the CO, so he knows that we both have really wide ranges

full tilt poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 745594
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UTG: $82.10
MP: $52.80
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $127.05
SB: $51.55
BB: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 9
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2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB raises to $6.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $15, 1 fold, SB raises to $51.55 all in, Hero requests TIME, 1 fold

So yeah, it seemed reasonable to 4-bet him, but when he put me all in I didn't know whether to call it, if he had 50 hands on me, the way I've been playing at these stakes at 6-max has probably been a bit too loosely and aggressively tbh - I've been losing a bit of money, finding it a bit hard to adjust from FR, I think I overestimated the level of aggression you need to have at 6-max, or at least took 'aggressive' to mean 'loose', lol... So yeah, I thought this guy might be playing me, and even it could've been a coinflip too, if he had AK or any other A, I dunno, pretty lost with this situation really... Guidance? Lol
 
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When he 5 bet shoves it's an easy fold, at the very least you expect him to show up with QQ/AK+ and even in the unlikely event he holds AK, it's a tiny proportion of his range and you are flipping. To call $45 when you have invested $6.75 when you are most likely to be a 4/1 dog, you have to fold. Even if you think he's at it, it's still a fold. A 14/8 squeezing with a station on the button could suggest he may be trying to get the bulk of his chips in good pre flop out of position, again alluding to a top hand.
 
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I didn't have 6.75 invested. I had 15 invested. Was another 35 to call. 35 to win 65... Gettin about 2-1.

And yeah, I suppose it was an easy fold... Just annoyed me, lol... But was my 4-bet ok? And was the 4-bet amount ok?
 
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Sorry confused myself when I was typing oops! Personally I flat or I fold, we have position on villain and just about have 7/1 on the stack sizes with the money invested in the pot. We can attempt to setmine or if he is at it he may give up after you call if he misses the flop. If you're in the small blind and he is in the cut off, then conversely your two options really would be to 4bet or fold I think depending on what you believe you're opponents range to be here. Although I still lean towards a fold in both instances
 
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Am I not right in thinking it's ok to 4-bet a little lighter when people 3-bet in situations like he did from the SB? I mean I open-raised from the CO and this calling station to my left called so it was obviously a perfect 3-bet situation for SB and he likes a 3-bet. By the time I'd got 100 hands on him his 3-bet percentage was up to 10.

I mean I had 99, chances are overcards are coming on the flop if I flat it, and I'm probably going to miss my set, and only having 50 hands on the guy, I hardly have any post-flop info to read into.
 
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4 bet/folding is a very bad line to take. I think flatting is vastly superior. It gives us a chance to setmine, and also lets us play postflop. If villain is 3bet/shoving AK/AQs here 4 bet/folding sucks. Also with the size of our 4 bet we aren't going to get many folds of any hand that 3 bet and we have a hand that is very likely to end up with 2nd pair on the flop (thus isn't easy to play). Lets keep the pot a little smaller and use our position to play superior post flop.

So basically If villain is a nit fold. If villain vastly over plays hands or ships it very light then 4 bet much bigger with the intent of calling... barring any specific read, flat and play poker post and use your positional advantage to hand read
 
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You're over analyzing things and have FPS (fancy play syndrome). It's ok, most of us have it.

7% is NOT 3-betting wide, it's 3-betting with a good range and a few added bluffs. I don't think you should ever start 4-betting someone because they have 7% 3-bet. What's the actual amount of times he 3-bet in those 53 hands? Once? Twice? Maybe he got AA 2 times.

Then, he could be a nit. Could be, because 53 hands sample can mean a cold deck too. I'm normally a 24/20, trying to reduce it, however yesterday on a very fishy table I found myself being 9/6 after 71 hands, simply no cards to play. But that's just something to keep in mind, we can assume he's a nit here.

How many times do you think a 14/8 nit would shove with a range beaten by 99? Not enough for calling to be profitable imo.

Also as others said, don't use mid PP's to 4-bet light with, you're just wasting them. When you 4-bet light, you should know before you do if you'll call or fold to a shove. So if you decide to 4-bet fold, any two cards will do.

99 > ATC
 
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7% over 53 hands is like 4 or so 3bets: probably just positive variance on his end... you overanalyzed and overadapted.
 
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7% over 53 hands is like 4 or so 3bets: probably just positive variance on his end... you overanalyzed and overadapted.

It could be just 1 3-bet, we don't know...he didn't play all those 50 hands so he could 3-bet in them, in fact he only played 7 hands in total (14% VPIP)
 
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But was my 4-bet ok? And was the 4-bet amount ok?

IIRC (it was a whole 30 seconds ago) you said he had a low 3-bet %.

You're behind his range. If you want to bring you hand to a flop, hope to hit a 9, or a rag flop and try to bluff him, then call here. If not, (you think he has bigger PP) fold.

Don't four bet.

Just because you're playing 6 handed doesn't mean you have to open your four bet range to include 99, unless you're bluffing, then your bet should have been bigger.

But I don't like bluffing with made hands that are only 20% to improve.
 
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